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Supporting craft breweries

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 5,969 Mod ✭✭✭✭irish_goat


    Kilmegan Cider is 6.8% and fairly dry, but I don't think you can get it in the south.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,675 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    More negative headlines for Brewdog. Unless of course you are a big investment fund.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    People who got in early on got cash when the (stupid) TSG deal went through.

    Anyone who invested large amounts, especially late on, needs their head examined.

    As for the "Well at least I got £2.34 off an order once. Not a bad return for £500" comment - I got a free pint, a free can of some very bad NA 'beer' and 15% off an evenings drinking on Friday alone; and I once got the entire cost of the share back in one go for a group of us getting food and drink with extra stacking discounts they used to do.

    Plenty of the 220k EFPs have made their money back many, many times over. I have and I barely go to the fecking place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,675 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ya if you really got only 2.50 back for your 500 you were not doing it right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭Tinter Box


    I see the Dublin bar was part of the sale. Must be making some sort of profits.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,675 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The 11 essential bars were

    "Birmingham, Dogtap Ellon, Dublin, Edinburgh DogHouse, Lothian Road, Manchester, and London's Paddington, Canary Wharf, Seven Dials, Tower Hill and Waterloo."

    You would think there was more than that worth saving but it's hard to know with the nature of their pubs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭Tinter Box


    The one in Belfast station is a franchise apparently so likely to hang on. I’ve never been in it but think that wouldn’t be unusual!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,675 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I assume all of their transport hup franchises will be fine. At worst they will just rebrand and staff will be fine.

    Do the 38 bars closing really need to close immediately. Craft beer for the people except the ones misfortune enough to work for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,272 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭Tinter Box


    Bargain basement prices in SuperValu. Decided to invest as haven’t had it in years…

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,423 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    Regularly enough that price tbh.

    Wingman is a lovely Session.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,055 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Outside of Diageo, Heineken and C&C, who are the largest brewers in Ireland?

    By volumes?

    By sales?

    Is it Rye River in Kildare?

    Or maybe O'Hara's in Carlow?

    Where would White Hag fit in?

    Who are the top ten craft brewers, by size/volume/revenue?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Nobody really publishes their brewing figures, and it costs money to get accounts; but I'd expect the largest to include Rye River, Carlow Brewing (O'Haras), White Hag, Kinnegar, Galway Bay and Trouble. All substantial enough in their own rights, and many have multiple brands or do contract work (or both).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,055 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Thanks.

    I am somewhat familiar with all of them, except Trouble. Where are they from?

    I believe Galway Bay are unusual in that own (or owned) a chain of their own pubs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,675 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    If you are in supermarkets nationwide that definitely puts you "top tier" and after that being in nationwide off licence chains.

    The only local brewery I can think of that must be doing very well is Rising Suns in Cork who are running a bunch of very sucessful pubs in a lucrative area.

    Porterhouse are still a big deal in some regards although I can't keep up with what the actual makeup of that business is now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Galway Bay still have a limited number of pubs. Other breweries also run a pub or pubs (not counting taprooms at brewery sites even if they have pub licences), e.g. O'Haras have two (one has a brewery on site but its not the main brewery), Whiplash have one (or two? not entirely sure about Love Tempo, but its closed currently anyway), Four Provinces have one.

    Rising Sons is is owned by a pub chain rather than the other way around but it all works out the same really.

    Trouble are from Kill in Kildare, one of two breweries in the same town.

    Porterhouse have some pubs, some pubs they but lease out, a brewery they own but lease out; and beers made for them by White Hag and Kinnegar under licence (and notably not at the brewery they lease out)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭Tinter Box


    Wicklow wolf seem to be available pretty consistently in pubs/offsales. Rascals would have a much more local focus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,924 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    Are you counting Brewery Corner as one of O'Hara's places? It closed earlier in the year.

    Porterhouse sold their brewery operation to a rapist a while ago but retained the name, and are now gypsy brewing. Some of their beers are brewed in kinnegar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Yes. Wasn't aware of that, and neither is their website!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,924 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    see my updated comment too.

    Brewery Corner was a travesty of a place for years until they put it out of it's misery



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    On the added bit - Porterhouse still notably own the physical building, and locked the new operator out for non payment of rent for most of 2025… wouldn't have noticed in supply of his stout cause nobody drinks or stocks it anymore, except his own pub.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,924 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    I didn't know that actually, I do know he owed thousands to malt suppliers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,055 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Can somebody remind me again who makes the own-brand beer in Lidl?

    Is it Lidl "Crafty" = O'Hara's Carlow?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,905 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,055 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Okay, so Rye River in Kildare make the Crafty range for Lidl.

    Some branded beers from Rye River are also sold in Lidl, is that correct?

    Then who makes the Brown Bear own-brand range in ALDI?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,905 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    Since renamed "Pearse Lyons Brewery" and recently acquired by Carlow Brewing, so I'd imagine production will move there if Aldi keeps it on. The Brown Bear range is looking a bit dated these days.

    Tesco's IBU range and Dunnes's Grafters are also Rye River; Tesco's Hop Seekers are Pearse Lyons, as is Journeyman for SuperValu/Centra.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    It had never crossed my mind that Journeyman was Musgrave own brand, and I buy it relatively often. Cheapest stuff in the shop



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭redshift-rider


    Pearse Lyons also do the Strana (Aldi) and Manislav (Tesco) pilsners, which I think are probably the same product.

    They used to do the Roadworks IPAs in Aldi which were quite good, but I haven't seen those in ages



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    Yeah, I'd say they're the same. I'm convinced they changed the recipe when Manislav went from green to brown bottles. It's less hop-forward now.



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