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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Yes, he is. The serious negotiators love it, they will point to him, and say we need big concessions to calm him down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 508 ✭✭✭lostboy75


    Agree with the posters above, absolutely nothing to gain by replying, ignore his rants. He is looking to make himself seem important to maga, the rest of the world knows what he is.

    Edit: the office was in relation to MM, but it's the same for any official in that position



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭BettyS


    Even if we were going to go full Agricultural, it would require years of initial hardship. Land isn’t really to yield produce from time 0. Would the citizens of Ireland accept the initial decade of economic hardship. Moreover, the labour required for agriculture is immense and backbreaking. People cannot take holidays. Their joints and backs are f***ed after ten years. Would people be happy to toil the land, day and night, for meagre pay?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,701 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Not quite. If you arrived at the polls and were in line before 7pm, the normal closing time, the vote will be counted, even if the vote was not cast by 7pm. Votes from persons who arrived after 7pm were still taken, but kept separate to await the final conclusion of the legal wrangling.

    That's not 'no good reason.' If you showed up at an Irish polling site after the declared voting hours closed, how much truck do you think you would get by saying "this is deprivation?"

    The two counties causing trouble this time are apparently Williamson and Dallas. I cannot find information as to how Williamson administers elections, but it is a Democrat-heavy county. Dallas is a little unusual in Texas in that the Elections Administrator, although a Democrat, is appointed by a bi-partisan body. He is new to the job, appointed four months ago, and was found after a nation-wide headhunt. He had previously been running elections in Lorain County, Ohio (a Cleveland suburb) for fifteen years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,303 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    It would be no help at all for Trump to be assassinated, it would make him a martyr and help ensure that a Trump scion would follow him. If he dies or retires as a result of some very obvious physical illness that would be another matter, best solution is for him to be completely out-voted.

    Unfortunately it would be almost impossible for the Democrats to do anything useful in 4 or 8 years given the mess he has made, before the Reps would be voted in again.

    There is a very strong section of the population that is determined to trash the country, under the impression that this is going to produce some sort of right wing utopia where its everyone for themselves, everyone who deserves it gets rich and no-one has to mess with nonsense like ecology or social justice.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,701 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I didn't keep mentioning ID, though? I handed it over, she looked at it. That's it. It's part of the process. There is no use for ID outside of that part of the process, so I didn't mention it anywhere else?

    I don't know if it means anything, not having done such an assessment before, but take a look at the raw vote tallies for TX23. The incumbent is a Republican, but unless I have suffered basic maths failure, it seem more people voted in the Democratic primary. Given how close the Republican race is, I can't imagine that is a result of cross-voting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭yagan


    All that sucking up to him last year to get concessions wiped out by his blanket 10-15% tariff on everyone.

    Unrestrained he is gutting the White House literally, figuratively, politically, and spiritually. It's a big three ring circus with Bibi as ringmaster and Trump as Bozo the Clown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    He has toppled Maduro, he has toppled the Ayatollah, and he has stopped the bombing in Gaza. Three things out of thousands, but they are good outcomes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,333 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The fly in the ointment is how would you confirm that the voter was in line before 7pm but unable to get inside the centre to vote until after 7pm.. The higher court ruling specified that the legal wrangling is over by it's setting aside the lower court order allowing the after 7pm votes to be counted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭yagan


    He bought Maduro from the regime that's still in place, he assassinated a nations leader that only strengthens their resolve and now Israel is annexing southern Lebanon along with starving Gaza.

    The only positive thing that Trump has done for the world is to complete remove the mask.

    Kinda of ironic that the president that wears full facial makeup daily has been the most barefaced politically.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The frontrunner to take over currently is the son of the Ayatollah. Plus the way he's approached all of this and other things, it's severely endangered the future of NATO. In relation to Gaza, he didn't really care when it ended, it ended when it suited Netanyahu and there's still issues there. He's attempted to humiliate Ukrainian leadership and has even contributed to conspiracy theories on the topic.

    So the most substantial action which is Iran is entirely unpredictable in terms of where it's going and the consequences of it. Previous US intervention in the middle east has negatively impacted the entire Western world and not in a positive way. Basically it's a mix of the US being Israel's lapdog and distracting from the Epstein files.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,098 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Only after facilitating the bombing of Gaza, so I'm not sure that one counts for much.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,701 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I would assume it would be fairly easy for a poll worker to stand at the end of the line at 7pm, and tell the next person who shows up "OK, you're late. But start a new line over there, when the last guy from this line is done, we'll start taking your votes"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,333 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I tend to agree with your assessment that one party's members would not cross the floor to pollinate the other party's hopes of gaining seats in the senate or house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,333 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Would the poll worker do that being aware that the higher court had issued a legal order that the after 7PM votes were to be discounted, decide to ignore it and allow people cast votes after 7pm?. There'd be no point in forming a new line, except to avoid a public brawl.

    I'm assuming that the count centre party workers [both GOP & Dem] would have been informed ASAP of the higher courts order as the court might not accept an argument that the workers were blissfully unaware of it's order.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,701 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I don't think it would take a genius to know, given the many, many times this sort of legal post-poll wrangling has happened in the past, that there is going to be a need to cover the bases. I've not seen the 'poll worker guidebook', but I would strongly suspect that there is a section on there for contingency events, and not only legal ones (what happens if there's a power cut at 6:30pm?) At least, any competently written guidebook should have such.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭randomcorkman


    You described handing over your ID at least twice. Do you believe everyone should show ID to vote? If yes, do you believe the resulting disenfranchisement of minorities is a price worth paying?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,877 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    You're probably right with respect to it being Martin doing the assasinating. An American though? That could trigger what's likely the best outcome for the rest of the world at this point: the (long overdue) second American Civil War.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,188 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    The court ruling is wholly unreasonable, but you are skirting around that and inventing really odd impractical work arounds which would ultimately be the basis for challenges to a vote/ count.

    The current intentionally partisan rigged nature of US institutions means that lawmakers are looking to create the conditions for votes to be either struck out or included as suits them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,542 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I wouldn't mind, or should I said I would mind less, if there was some sort of final plan in the administration's thinking regarding the bombing.
    But if you look to the approach taken on any front, such as education, immigration, any policy at all, you have hairbrained ideas with ham fisted approaches, in no small measure caused by "yes" men employed by 45, who either hate or worship him, and simply try and impliment his ideas, as they exist at that point in time.
    Regarding Iran, we have MAGA contradicting each other regarding whether it is to be referred to as a war, how much planning went into it, whose idea was it, will there be "boots on the ground", how long will it last, and so forth.

    It's going to be very hard to extracate the US from the mess. To put it another way, you cannot put the toothpaste back into the tube.

    And without any true course in mind, any cohesive plan, you'd expect things only to get much worse.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,790 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    But toothpaste could have flouride so RFK would just ban the toothpaste while Donny tries to put an extra tariff on toothbrushes while Karoline claims theres no such thing as toothpaste.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    There is a price to be paid for this type of hooliganism over the longer term. America will need a lot of help to contain China but it’s going the wrong way to securing that assistance at the moment. Trump is burning through the goodwill his country accrued over many decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Michigan is literally a river away from Canada and yet many of the people are utterly clueless about their neighbour. It is extraordinary to witness. I just keep my mouth shut down there.

    Post edited by Ardillaun on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Ireland has particular vulnerabilities to America because of its economy, but Britain chose to make itself more vulnerable by leaving the EU.

    Post edited by Ardillaun on


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,416 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    There really aren't any good outcomes as regards Iran.

    Bombing alone won't "win" anything and putting troops on the ground in Iran is a multi-year nightmare without any meaningful resolution.

    If they stop bombing in a few weeks , the most likely outcome is that the new leadership will be a younger more extreme version of what was there with a whole load of fresh reasons to fire up the populace to "hate the west".

    If there was some kind of popular uprising , without on the ground support from the US , it likely fails or at best drags on for a very long time.

    All outcomes result in massive instability in Iran and throughout the middle east.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭BettyS


    I cannot understand why labour does not run itself as the pro-European trading block party and tout Farage as the MAGA-supporting party



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,178 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭BettyS


    It is not coming across, either in public discourse in the UK or in the media. They seem to be the bland party, without any viable presence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Crockett conceded in the Texas Senate primary. Talarico sounds fairly plausible as a Democratic candidate who can appeal to independent voters but it will be an uphill slog, especially if the Republicans see sense and go with Cornyn.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,178 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn56wdlw094o

    This fairly says that that is what they are aiming for without saying they want to redo the whole debate again .



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