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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,616 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    He has definitely been listening to the cabinet nutters / headbangers, plus Netanyahu but his long term aims for Iran are a mystery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    How big are Rubio’s ears going to get? They seem to have really sprouted in mid-life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭BettyS


    I feel that this has been a longer-term strategy. This is not just about Trump; he just happens to be a useful idiot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Successful Kurdish and Azeri insurgencies could partition Iran. I wonder if this is Netanyahu’s deeper aim?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,616 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Netanyahu would absolutely love to see civil war alright but given the sheer size and strength of the Iranian military (around 1m troops), it doesn't seem the likeliest outcome.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Trump says "we were negotiating with those lunatics...". When will anyone ever negotiate in good faith will USA again?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Ardillaun




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    Iraqi military was that sized thinking back 20+ years

    Still ended up in a civil war

    Balkanisation suits Israel quite fine, and not having drones flying into their cities suits the Gulf states

    Civil war is quite a possibility at this stage, Trump doesn’t care about Iran becoming democratic that much is obvious

    Be terrible for us potentially in Europe with refugee waves but Turks already moving troops to border as they don’t want that either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yes. Two birds with one stone; Bibi gets what he wants , China is squeezed and loses another ally in the process. The lesson is clear get yourself a nuke to guarantee immunity from attack. The great lie about all this is if Iran was actually a credible threat rather than a paper tiger these attacks would not be taking place. No doubt some will disagree, but then perhaps they could explain why we never hear talk about the necessisty of taking military action against North Korea. Could it be that would be a proper war with significant casualties on both sides? America would ultimately win a conventional war against North Korea but the price for doing so would be politically unsustainable . Of course if it went nuclear all bets are off. So for that reason war with North Korea will never happen.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Rubio on CNN trying half-heartedly to wriggle out of his ‘Israel made us do it’ admission. The feedback must not be friendly from MAGA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭BettyS


    it also sets up tiers of governance. Sure, countries can cosplay at governing themselves. But they have to play within “the rules” handed down by the US. If they don’t play nicey, then the read leaders of the “free world” will swoop in and install acceptable leaders to the nation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    The chaos unleashed by Trump since he returned to power is a defining moment in Western civilization. If the Chinese were doing this we’d put it down to their tyrannical system or something.

    Post edited by Ardillaun on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,616 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The Persians are by far and away the biggest majority though - would be very difficult for the Kurds or Azeris (who don't even like each other) to get anything going, they wouldn't really have the arms or the numbers to launch a full scale civil war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Trump: “I had a feeling” Iran would attack first. That’s the literal headline on CNN!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    See Iraq war and civil war (for that matter Afghanistan too)

    Especially if Iranian regime has no way to import export anything to outside world under a Gulf States blockade and now that US and Israel have air superiority every power plant, refinery, factory, military installation, ammo dump, etc is a pile of rubble

    Hard to fight a war without air superiority (or at least denial like in Ukraine) and without any industry and energy

    The longer we not hear about any coherent plan out of Washington and Iranians refuse ceasefire the more I grow convinced this is the option they going for, but of course Trump regime would not admit to such a course

    Post edited by bored65 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yes that could well be it. It probably suits Bibi for Iran to go the way of Syria; a fractured state, with factional tension never far from boiling over. The last thing he wants is a unified state that could oppose Israeli interests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭BettyS


    The Iranians were the allies of the Palestinians and were part of an alliance with Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen and Western Syria.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Sen. Tommy Tuberville: “I wouldn’t call this a war as much as call it a conflict that should be very short and sweet”. His actual words, I kid you not: short and sweet. Anybody running against him in the future will be replaying that clip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,145 ✭✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    What a PR omnishambles from the administration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Israel doing their usual double tap. No doubt the WHO are antisemitic or something to that effect.

    Three medics killed as they responded to airstrike in Lebanon, says WHO


    Three paramedics have been killed and six were wounded in Lebanon's Tyre district as they were recovering victims after an airstrike.

    That's according to the World Health Organisation's office in Lebanon.

    The WHO condemned the killings, adding that health workers "must never be targeted".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Beyond the IRGC, though, are they all loyal to the regime? I guess we will find out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,138 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    People take for granted boring competence from eg Democrats not appreciating it takes diligent hard work... and vote for these clowns. It would be funny if the omnishambles wasnt a matter of life and death.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Is this a further sign Donnie is in cognitive decline? Rubio looks more uncomfortable by the day anytime he is in a room when Donnie is speaking .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    Trump also said if anyone refused him their bases, they couldn't stop him using them even if they wanted to. Id hope he wasn't serious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭BettyS


    He is like the bullies in school who make people lick his shoes. He does it just to prove he can



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭batman75


    The whole concept behind Israel was to give the Jews a homeland. A place where they would feel secure. Part of that security required brutally oppressing the Palestinians since 1948. Israel since 1948 has illegally expanded it's territory and these expansions are correctly not recognised by international law.

    Israel has militarily lorded it over Lebanon and Jordan it's two nearest neighbours. Iraq was a threat under Saddam. Big Daddy, the US, came in and removed Saddam. Then Syria erupted into civil war and eventually the Assad family were removed. Even they tolerated losing the Golan Heights. Netanyahu ie Miliekowski saw Iran as the only real threat to Jewish hegemony in the M/East. So he has seen Syria fall into civil war. Iraq fall into chaos post Saddam. Saudi Arabia while publicly hostile never represented a military threat to Israel. Egypt hasn't presented a military threat since the 70s.

    So that left the bogeyman to be Iran. As much as an evil bastard as Miliekowski is he's not completely stupid. He's been looking to step into the ring with Iran since 1986. He finally found a dumb enough president to do it with him in Trump. He knows he needed the US to have a chance.

    The US and Israel won't be able to instigate regime change in Iran. The US is not the military power it once was. Israel hasn't had a military challenge of note since 1973. Yes the guerillas H's have been a constant thorn but Israel was far superior in resources to them even combined with the US backing it.

    Iranian people are not afraid of martyrdom. They are a proud people with centuries old history. This isn't a weak Iraq. This isn't Venezuela. This is a massive country not far off 75% of Europe in size with 90m people. If as I expect Iran prevails then Israel won't have US military support in the region anymore.

    Once settlers don't feel safe in their colony they leave. Iran for the second time is puncturing that sense of military invincibility the Jews felt in Israel. This time Iran is really going for the jugular. Even the US bombing it isn't stopping them. I appreciate the genocide deniers will believe my entire post to be dribble. That's fine. No problem with that.

    The ultimate lesson for mankind is you can't rob land off people to give to settlers to fix a horrific wrong. The Holocaust is a stain on the history of mankind. The second lesson is if you're stupid enough to do it again then the settlers need to assimilate the natives into the new country created as equals. Palestinians were always made to feel inferior under the Zionists. Which is remarkable given how the Nazi's viewed the Jews. History not learned from is history repeated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭threeball


    Apart from the Lettuce, hes the worst British PM in a long time. Even Boris took a position on Ukraine and Brexit. Starmer tries to ride the fence on every single subject. A huge majority and you'd swear he was keeping a coalition happy.

    Europe needs a real look in the mirror too, allowing the yanks use us as a launchpad for this illegal war. They should have condemned it outright and refused an help whatsoever. This extended war will create more refugee pressures, economic pressures and energy pressures that will only benefit Russia. Bunch of fcukin idiots pretending to represent our views.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    By prevailing i presume you mean just surviving, because Iran cannot win militarily, but as you suggest surviving will be spun as a victory by them. What i see happening is remnants of the regime doing a deal whereby they are amenable to US interests- that way Donnie and the Iranians can both sell it as a victory to their domestic audiences.



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