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Bord Bia Problem

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,642 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    https://www.northernsound.ie/news/ifa-protest-at-bord-bia-ends-278532



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,798 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Beef protests were a waste of time , because there's no unity from farmers, those that had to take a beating during the weeks of the protest phoning the county officers whingeing about it.

    Also the factories would be foolish to give in to the farmers,, even if the protest went on for six months the factory would get to kill the most of the cattle when it was over so win win for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭agriman27


    Great to see the 5 farmers who have been protesting inside the bord bia headquarters returning home after 4 weeks… not too many people have shown such dedication to a cause 👍🏻



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Not going to argue with you again Wrangler, Doctors differ patients die.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,972 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Francie is a lucky general. Heydon getting Murrin to step aside is as much as Francie was going to get. It allows him to back down and claim victory at the same time.

    But Murrin stepping aside is probably a strong sign that he won’t be stepping down and will quietly slip back into the Chair in a few month’s time.

    Whether anything changes or not with Bord Bia remains to be seen.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,650 ✭✭✭J.O. Farmer


    It means they found a fudge so both sides can say they got what they wanted. He's still the chair without being the chair.

    The IFA couldn't walk away with Murrin in place. The government couldn't remove him as they'd backed him so strongly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,102 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Subway has the 2nd largest number of restaurant( if we want to call them.that) in the world, more than MacD's or Kentucky. They have turnover in excess of ten billion worldwide. Its very hard to walk away from contracts from a company that size.

    Its not just beef it buys, but chicken and cheese.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,650 ✭✭✭J.O. Farmer


    According to Google Subway are 4th and McDonald's are second.

    Looking at the menus in both I expect McDonald's would be selling more beef and chicken by weight per customer.

    Based on the menus only I'd say there's a chance KFC and burger king sell more chicken and beef than subway.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,916 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Whilst I disagree with the protest, simply because it was the wrong tactic in the circumstances, I salute and admire the famous five who stuck with it. BTW Wrangler, I'd say I did a lot more on the beef protest than FOG. I think Wrangler, you and I remember a time when farmers knew how to protest and make self sacrifice, if necessary, in doing so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭sonnybill


    +1



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,798 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Why couldn't he use 100% irish beef, was it really worth the chairman of Bord Bia belittling every beef farmer in the country to put 10% brazilian beef, did subway specify beef riddled with uncontrolled growth promoters and antibiotics.

    We'll have to get in the Provisional IFA to kick out murrin now. Its scandalous if he's left as Chairman

    Just reinforces my opinion that all public services don't give a sh..e



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭Dunedin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,102 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    An American answering this would go "that a really good question"...…well its probably not.

    Why did tillage farmees take the straw incorporation payment, why do we all not straw bed cattle rather than slats, why do we not insist on 10% native grains in our rations, why do we all not gave 5-6 months slurry storage, why do lads spread slurry in January. Why do some put a finished animals through the stress of a mart rather than direct to slaughter.

    Recently at a farm walk a lad who has a calf to beef system and buys friesuan bull calves was willing to accept a 4% mortality in his calves because up until this year he was buying at 50-60 euro a head and it did not pay to call a vet.

    Well its exactly the same reason it was not economically viable. A lot of that 1% was probably used on the Subway contract, everything in these contracts is tied to togeather, chicken, eggs cheese bacon and what ever Vegan protein they use. Some is Irish some is not. Some is EU some is not. You are competing against international players who can source the product to Subway specifications.

    If Dawn Foods used all Irish beef should they use all all Irish chicken....pork....eggs…cheese.…and what ever else. Then you will be walking away from the contract and what ever percentages of Irish products are use are gone as well.

    When you deal with large companies like that you margin is in volume not percentages

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,798 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    It's too much like the fox being in charge of the henhouse for me.

    What was the reason for him to take the position of chairman of Bord bia if not to belittle the efforts of livestock farmers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,102 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    If you wanted to belittle farmers you be makng Francie the chairman. They could not lay a glove in him at the oirachtas interrogation. You do not build a multinational company without certain abilities.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭kk.man


    What this issue has highlighted to consumers is watch what your eating, don't assume its Irish and safe even when it has an Irish label.

    This is the start of it

    Irish flour now under scrutiny, Larrys going to be popular with his industry colleagues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,981 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    The Problem is Ireland is more than self sufficient in beef- which raises the issue the only reason he was importing it was price- it is not self sufficient in poultry



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,102 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The Subway contract was not just for Ireland, my understanding is it was not just for EU countries either it a 40 country contract I taught I read somewhere.

    Subway sets the terms thhe just supplies the the product to those terms. That contract can be serviced from Poland, the UK, the Netherlands, Denmark. You price to the specifications.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,981 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Sorry I was referring to murrin /Dawn importing beef.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,060 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Conspiracist hat on.

    If this whole debacle was funded from the states and the grain growers the on the ground in Ireland footsoldìers hidden in the IFA.

    Then this is exactly what the American money wants. Is the implosion of Irish agriculture.

    Odlums when it was a family business had a mill in St. Mullins, Carlow. The flour was treated with bleach to give it it's white colour. The wash went into the river. You ate the flour with added bleach.

    Stone ground was mentioned. Teeth in humans wore faster when eating stone ground flour as stone dust is included in the flour.

    Said it before there won't be an IFA when this is finished. We'll be lucky if we've any industry at all at the way it's going.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    https://www.rte.ie/news/2026/0218/1559172-ireland-flour-mills/

    Mmmm, more tillage needed for milling wheat, and every summer and autumn like 2025 weather wise, to grow it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,798 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    The same was said of IFA in 2015 and look where it is now. There's top farmers and graduates running the show, they won't let it flounder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,798 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    You probably shouldn't consume anything Irish.

    There's a similar youtube done on Irish milk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3DJmx7IeKA



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭epfff


    I would be sceptical about the top farmers and graduates but they do have serious wealth and goodwill built up from previous generations that will allow them to survive comfortably for my lifetime.

    The dependance on EU funding and inheritance of the farmers in the beef sheep section could allow the self made business men in other sections could lead its direction but does it really matter because the relivance and financial worth of agriculture in Ireland is dropping fast.

    Also as the general population grows and moves another generation away from the land numbers of farming voters shrink so decision-makers don't care for their opinions any more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,798 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    I've said it always here that any young farmer going farming is foolish.. no future.

    There's young lads here going farming, but iff they they are , their 70+ uncles/fathers are still strangling themselves on the farm while the real farmer is working in Dublin and coming home an odd weekend or maybe a weekday if theres an inspection to prove hes real farmer and not just ''on the books''

    I know that my farming improved 100% when I started being on national commitees. I always claimed thot lunch time was a great learning timew how to maximise subsidies if I kept my ears open



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭older by the day


    That's a good one



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,972 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    The dust is settling - what now?

    There needs to be some sort of QA process so the cage isn't going anyplace. But how can we expand the floor space of the cage?

    Could the 18 months be pushed to 24 months maybe? You're only thru one audit at the moment and by the time you've gone thru the close-out issues and sent in your pictures of whatever, you can see the next one on the horizon, not much more than 12 months away again.

    Maybe the "voluntary" sustainability survey could be scraped?



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