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Reaction to John Davidson (Tourettes sufferer)

  • 02-03-2026 12:32AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭


    Since the incident a couple of weeks ago we've had Delroy Lindo and Michael B Jordan saying at the BET awards how great it is to be back amongst "their people" where they'll never hear the n- word which was uttered by Davidson due to to his neurological condition. Imagine how racist it would be viewed if people from any other group said something similar that they were happy to be away from other groups and amongst their people.

    SNL non-funnily mocking him and his condition aswell.

    The reaction in America to this unfortunate incident has been pathetic and a real life example of some of the most privileged people in the world punching down on a normal person with a horrible condition.

    Blaming Davidson and disparaging him for this is the equivalent of criticising a person with a cold for sneezing.

    Shows how insincere alot of celebrities who preach kindness and consideration actually are, the whole incident has been a real eye opener.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,324 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    If I had tourettes, I'd have t-shirts and hoodies printed that say "Sorry if I offended you, I have Tourettes", which I would wear.

    Also if I had Tourettes, I probably would not go to an event where one of my uncontrollable outbursts would be televised and reported on in the worlds press. Well, I wouldn't, though if I was a Tourettes Activist, that might be exactly what I want.

    Question: Did Delroy Lindo and Michael B Jordan know ahead of time the context of the situation? Or did they just see a crowd of people with one person shouting the N word?

    Blaming Davidson and disparaging him for this is the equivalent of criticising a person with a cold for sneezing.

    I, for one am not blaming him, but a bit of foresight would have prevented much of this - unless thats exactly what he wanted, in which case my sympathy fades away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    They were warned Davidson was in the audience and some nasty things might be said

    He shouted out **** the queen when he was being given his OBE by her

    It was an unfortunate incident no doubt anout that but i just think the pile on in America has been unnecessary



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 304 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    People think that his actual thoughts were coming out. Involuntarily, but still his true feelings. This is incorrect though - Tourette's causes the patient to blurt out things that they don't believe, don't mean... it's like intrusive thoughts being verbalised. But when people want to be offended, explanations don't matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,324 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    OK, but the Americans are no doubt missing the context you just provided me. I'd never actually heard of him until the BAFTA thing a couple weeks ago. Context is everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Its like the urge to touch a hot ring on the cooker (I'm sure everyone has had that urge) even though you actually dont have the urge to do it it still pops into your head but you can control it.

    whereas he has the same thing with words only he can't stop it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭TerrieBootson


    They managed to edit out the pro Palestine stuff.........



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    I know a guy who has tourettes and is in. You would be surprised how many young people are intolerant of it. In fact they are down right nasty to him. Another guy with autism in university was unaware videoed and called a " non playable character" , ie a person that didnt matter. The video got over 60k views. I thought it was taught at CPSE class. University students are particularily horrible shi.tes

    He is kind of like Davidson as in laugh it off and get on with it. You gotta admire his resilience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Its more like a problem with both the brain and nervous system, where the individual has already said it before they realise they have begun to talk. Its usually a combination of stress/excitement and anxiety.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 304 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    Yeah a woman with Tourette's whom I watched said you're thinking "please please don't say the most inappropriate thing" and then you say it. Horrible for the person (even if funny at times).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,324 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Yeah for all the woke young people out there, there is still a lot who are horrible sh.ites who are tolerant of all manner of nasty things against people.

    I regularly thank my lucky stars Im not attending secondary school in todays world. Speaking as someone who was always a little bit different, modern technology would have made that whole experience 30 times worse. It's one thing having your underwear thrown out onto the dorm windowsill, it'd be something else for it to be recorded, uploaded onto youtube and it getting 20k views.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 304 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 304 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    How can you know what you'd do if you had Tourette's and were invited to an awards ceremony with a film about yourself among the nominees? I think it would be appalling to feel obliged to stay at home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Honestly amounts to BBC **** up with microphone placement. I feel sympathy for the actors but equally has to be an awareness of the context. If the outburst isn't from malice then it's very different imho.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭Ultimate Gowlbag


    They're missing a proper education more than any context,most people would see the headline and get to the part where it mentions Tourettes and think "unfortunate thingto happen",others, are eternally outraged and usually thick as pig ****!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    There was a rumour that went around school before that some did something embarrassing , then if two people said it it was gospel, now it is videoed, because everyone thinks they are Christopher Nolan. It is put up on the internet so now it is carved in stone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    That is part of the problem (see Temple Grandin talk) these amazing people are stuck at home in their basements playing video games while life passes them by. No job no university/trade, no hobby. No relationship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,324 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    When I was about 14, I had a pimple behind my ear that didnt clear up like most pimples do, so I had a brief outpatient procedure to lance it and clean it up. A guy in my dorm went around telling people (mostly girls) that I was in hospital having mould removed from behind my ear. I generally don't have regrets, but if I did, I regret not putting him in hospital for what he'd been saying. Safe to say, no girl looked at me for a few years after that.

    They're missing a proper education more than any context,most people would see the headline and get to the part where it mentions Tourettes and think "unfortunate thingto happen",others, are eternally outraged and usually thick as pig ****!!

    I suppose I am in the former category of people, I saw the headline and the brief summary, and thought, and still do, think if you wanted to avoid the controversy, preparations could have been made.

    How can you know what you'd do if you had Tourette's and were invited to an awards ceremony with a film about yourself among the nominees? I think it would be appalling to feel obliged to stay at home.

    I never said stay at home. I just meant preparations could have been made to limit any controversy.

    That said, I suspect the controversy was welcomed and was part of the plan all along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    There is a complete lack of understanding of the condition. Many people think it's real thoughts that cannot be kept inside.

    Also, a lot of people only cosplay as accepting and progressive while it's easy and convenient. Fat acceptance is all great and all until someone they don't like is fat and then the insults come out. Had the guy shouted cracker at a white guy, or some racist term for an Asian person, it would have been laughed off because that would be easy and convenient. But n*gger? It is just not convenient or easy enough to pretend to be understanding about someone with a neurological disorder, even when they are there specifically because of it and warnings were given out, so the pretence stops.

    I would not listen to single word anyone ever said again if they found issue with John Davidson. It's like if hiccups were deemed as racist and people got offended every time you got the hiccups.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,253 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    That's a great explanation. Never thought of it like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    No I meant stay at home in general. Why would a young person leave their home every morning go out to a job, trade, university course or in general out, when they are going to be going to be doxxed, cancelled, ridiclued, excluded and sit alone in the canteen. When they can get social welfare, have the internet and playxbox all day and night safely?

    I think it takes a brave autistic person to go out of their comfort zone when the bridge is so wide.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,781 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
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    Black America doesn’t do comedy or irony very well when it comes to ongoing issues around racism.

    Tourette’s does exist in America - however its prevalence on national TV and in the national psyche is likely to be less than that in the UK- over the last 20 years or more, we’ve seen a number of prominent documentaries on UK tv stations which get a significant % of the UK population watching- so education on the condition is far greater this side of the pond I would guess.Ive certainly known about the condition for about 25 years or so.

    My own view is that there is a lot more intentional racism out there for these millionaire actors to get upset over- whatever way they reacted at the time is fine in that they may not have understood what was happening - but weeks on, they’ve had plenty of time to educate themselves- they need to take a leaf out of their own book- isn’t education and an informed mind the argument for a more understanding and tolerant world?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,335 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    My own view is that there is a lot more intentional racism out there for these millionaire actors to get upset over- whatever way they reacted at the time is fine in that they may not have understood what was happening

    No matter what millionaire actors speak out about, there will be people telling them to shut up and stay in their lane. This was an incident that was very much not of the creation of the two people involved and they most definitely were involved. And that aside, I don't think anyone can really tell someone how they "should" react to the racism that they experienced. Think you have to consider how that event may have been experienced by a lot of the people connected to it and how they have felt they are viewed by all too many people in society. And I'm not just talking about the people who were on stage in the moment.

    There was an opportunity for education from both the side from which it happened (Tourette's sufferers) and from which it was experienced (black people) but it has been hijacked through a lack of understanding and now it is probably too late for that. People saying Davidson shouldn't have been there or that the expression was a thought in his mind and the illness just revealed it are misinformed, and people saying black people (particularly those in the room) should have more understanding are also not fully correct.

    The only thing I feel should have happened last week is that it should not have been broadcast after the event. A decision was made to edit the broadcast to prevent reference going out to Palestine and the fact that this was retained is a whole separate conversation and I'd be very interested in the logic around those 2 decisions from the person who made them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,266 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,016 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    There's a real bang of "It's OK to say nasty things, so long as you don't really mean them" off this whole thing.

    Some people have behaviours that need to be managed by the adults in the room. Including but not limited to Tourettes. That didn't happen here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Wow! People who suffer from Tourettes need to be "managed". That's some ableism you have there. I suppose understanding, or even the low bar of Tolerance, would be asking too much from you, would it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    It's a disability, so yes context matters. Maybe you are not one of the adults in the room based on how you're viewing a disability. Education on the issue very much so appears to matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭Enduro


    The "adults in the room" thing reminds me of my own early experience in this matter. When I was a kid (early teens at the oldest), one of my brother's classmates, and a new good pal, was constantly muttering swear words, which I found to be pretty annoying, and really didn't like at all. But it was explained to me by the actual adults in the room that he had Tourettes, and what that entailed. And I understood, and stopped being annoyed, and instead fully accepted that he just had an unfortunate condition that he had no control over. Every other kid I knew (and teachers for that matter) took the same approach, and his Tourettes outbursts were just ignored, whilst we all treated him like we'd treat everyone else.

    Now, if a small kid could "get" this straight away, and adjust attitudes accordingly, you'd think that actual real adults could manage that. But that appears not to be the case, judging by the appaling real world reactions to the BAFTAs, and by far too many posts in here.

    Incidentally, that lad remains one of the nicest people you could meet, and thankfully Tourettes hasn't stopped him from living a completely normal life, without having to be "managed", or treated like a social leper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,335 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Some people have behaviours that need to be managed by the adults in the room

    Can you tell us how this should have been managed in say 3 steps?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 304 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    There's no bang at all - it very much is the case, although your sentence is missing a crucial word: "It's OK to say nasty things involuntarily, so long as you don'treallymean them."

    What's your excuse?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    They've previously commented on this and don't appear to think he should be allowed to attend events. Basically just hide him away from public view.



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