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Trump - The positives - (see Mod note in OP)

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,526 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Mod: This thread is about the benefits of Trumps presidency - nothing else. Next off topic chat will incur a timeout

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,737 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    This one popped up on you tube - Trump said he doesn't believe in "American Exceptionalism" he hates the term never liked it……and wouldn't say it.

    But he also said because he doesn't have a big ego so he doesn't need the term….

    (This was about 10 years ago)

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Trump the positives? Well, immigration has long been one of Trump’s signature issues. He now says there is "the strongest and most secure border in American history by far. In the past nine months, zero illegal aliens have been admitted to the United States.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    And like everything else he says, its demented babble that cannot possibly be proved, but is almost certainly entirely untrue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    After more than 50 years of rapid growth, the immigrant population of the US is now in decline. You may or may not think of that as a positive. Trumps supporters think of it as a positive.

    The pew research centre found that

    "In January 2025, 53.3 million immigrants lived in the United States – the largest number ever recorded. In the ensuing months, however, more immigrants left the country or were deported than arrived"



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


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    https://www.census.gov/newsroom/blogs/random-samplings/2026/01/historic-decline-in-net-international-migration.html

    Just waiting for official confirmation that more people are leaving the US than entering. (Trumplethinskin would rather kill the messenger) Citizens and people legally entitled to be in the US are leaving. In droves.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,920 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Would trump supporters see a brain drain as a positive? (Less DNC voters?)

    trump seems to be handing leadership in technology to Europe and China while doubling down on decades old inefficient designs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Another positive thing about Trump. He got rid of the supreme leader of Iran, who caused much misery in the region for 4 decades, and was clearly developing nuclear capabilities. No wonder Canada, Australia etc backed the USA on this one.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,526 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    was clearly developing nuclear capabilities

    On what evidence have you this? Trump even said a few months back that he "obliterated" their nuclear programme

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    It was more than a few months ago since the previous attacks on its nuclear capabilities.

    In 2005, the IAEA Board of Governors found Iran in non-compliance with its NPT safeguards agreement and in 2006 the UN demanded Iran stop enriching uranium. It did not. Iran subsequently suspended operation with the IAEA.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,145 ✭✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Trump tried to put out the fire by adding more petrol.

    Great win for the arms industry.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    How was he different from the previous leader ? It's a theocracy so plenty more like minded people where he came from.

    On the other hand by all accounts the crowd supporting the Son of the Shah, the preferred choice of Israel and therefore the US, are a nasty bunch too. At best it will be a right wing kleptocracy which will crack down on minorities after they've settled scores.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    In positive news oil prices will soar.

    This will benefit Russia after the recent Ukrainian strikes on refineries and pipelines.

    If Trump was a Russian agent what would he have done differently ?

    Or what do the Israelis have on him ?

    Trump is easy to manipulate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    If Iran continued enriching Uranium and exploded even a small nuclear bomb in Israel, what would that have done for oil prices / stability?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Is this the bomb that they’ve “been months away” from since 1995?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    They were not months away from it in 1995.

    Would not be impossible for it to develop nuclear capability. Pakistan has, for example. Pakistan has not spread terrorism around the middle east like Iran has though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    That’s what was being spouted by Bibi, and pretty much every year since.

    Trump stated recently that they had obliterated all of Iran’s nuclear facilities. Was he lying?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,852 ✭✭✭✭blueser


    Kamala Harris and Hilary Clinton must have been she devils, for the electorate to prefer Trump to either of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Not all of Irans facilities, and facilities can be rebuilt.

    If a research facility or factory even underground is bombed, how long does it take to get it up and running again?

    It is why western leaders like Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney have backed President Trump's strikes on Iran.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    I can understand why they would do it now. One of the core foundations of diplomacy is not to assassinate foreign heads of state. Once that line has been crossed leaders have nothing to lose.

    Why would Iran have done it before ? Israel has dozens of nukes and no regard whatsoever for civilian collateral damage.

    What reasons would Iran nuke Israel other than retaliation ?

    Regurgitating the decades old mantra that "Iran will have the bomb in a few months" is just propaganda.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    If Iran set off a small suitcase nuclear bomb in Israel or New York, would'nt Iran plead innocence, say it was an Israeli /USA accident and Israel could not retaliate. Iran has form and intent, it has attacked Israel and western targets through proxies before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭tarvis


    Is it a positive that American wars are always played out on other people soil?

    Life goes on in the States while other lands are flattened.

    Will the US always be so lucky?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Took Pearl Harbour for USA to be drawn in to WW2. Pearl Harbour was American soil.

    The Americans learned their lesson then. And after 9/11, they do not want Iran getting their hands on a nuclear bomb or dirty bomb in a suitcase for obvious reasons.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,526 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    You haven't answered my question.

    A short number of months ago, Trump claimed to have "obliterated" their nuclear programme. What evidence is there that they have since gotten to the point of being able to produce nuclear weaponry (and don't pretend that something from two decades ago is evidence of now)?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    So first of all you said it was a few months ago. Now it is a short number of months ago. Do you know how many months?

    As I said, in 2005, the IAEA Board of Governors found Iran in non-compliance with its NPT safeguards agreement and in 2006 the UN demanded Iran stop enriching uranium. It did not. Iran subsequently suspended operation with the IAEA.

    Do you think the Ayotollah would have put a dirty bomb in a suitcase in the big Apple if he could have? Do you think the Ayotollah was less anti-American than Bin Laden?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,526 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    So first of all you said it was a few months ago. Now it is a short number of months ago. Do you know how many months?

    It was a claim he made back in June 2025 after his strikes on Iran. Care to actually answer my question now?

    As I said, in 2005, the IAEA Board of Governors found Iran in non-compliance with its NPT safeguards agreement and in 2006 the UN demanded Iran stop enriching uranium. It did not. Iran subsequently suspended operation with the IAEA.

    Do you think the Ayotollah would have put a dirty bomb in a suitcase in the big Apple if he could have? Do you think the Ayotollah was less anti-American than Bin Laden?

    Somethjng from 20 years ago has nothing to do with yesterdays attacks!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    The world does know Iran had (maybe still has) a very determined nuclear programme and enriched plutonium. As someone else said, you only need low enriched Uranium for civil purpose (10% max). So why did they si so much more? Even if you want to pull the research card, you don't need near 500kg's worth.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,526 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    So Trump obliterated their nuclear programme in June. There has been zero evidence that Iran has developed anything since then from either US or other intelligence but in order to justify the current attacks, including killing 148 people in a school, although claimed that Iran "was clearly developing nuclear capabilities" and yet youve absolutely no proof aside from a pair of lying murderers in USA & Israel?

    So how exactly is that a positive for Trump?

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Please take a look at a history book. The 1938 and 1940 Naval acts provided the ships that won the war in the Pacific.

    TBH I'd be far more worried about Israel launching a false flag attack on US soil than Iran.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Rubbish. If you look up any history book, they are all agreed that in December 1941 "Japan launched a surprise air raid on the U.S. naval base at Pearl Harbour, Hawaii, destroying or damaging 18+ ships and 160+ aircraft while killing over 2,400 people. This "date which will live in infamy" instantly ended U.S. isolationism, prompting Congress to declare war on Japan on December 8, 1941, officially plunging the United States into World War II"

    Anyway, back to the positives about Trump, he took out the Ayotollah, who was in power for 4 decades and who was one of the most evil men in the world. Whose regime killed up to 30,000 protestors in the past few months alone in Iran.



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