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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 913 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Ukraine is in a similar position to Iran. It has no nukes. I've gone through all this before, the war didn't happen out of nowhere and there's a book on it by anti war activist Horton..

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Provoked-Washington-Started-Catastrophe-Ukraine/dp/1733647376

    I tried to discuss some of the nuances similar to Catherine Connelly. Just because there is nuance doesn't mean that Putin is not a psychopath. My point was that a deal was better than continuing an unwinnable war with huge Ukrainian casualties..

    I feel Iran is now in a similar but more dangerous position. Israel has less restraint than Russia. Israel is more willing to murder civilians and may even plan to nuke Tehran.

    Anyway, this is an Iran thread. You can do ad hominem attacks or discuss my points. Your choice but I won't be responding to further ad hominem.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Anyone who thinks killing Khomeini will mean a collapse of Iranian resistance is fooling themselves, just as likely to bolster it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭Homelander


    The detachment from reality from some specific posters with regards the military situation is astounding to the point of concern.

    It's nothing to do with sides, justifying or defending anything whatsoever, it just shows a frankly disturbing break from what's happening.

    It's like Hitler's bunker in April 1945, directing armies that don't exist, imagining mighty counterattacks that can't happen, hyping up minor hits on Israel as earth-shattering, backbone breaking developments, while simultanously ignoring or downplaying the actual strikes that are gutting Iran's already highly limited military capabilities.

    Or a more recent example, Iraqi state TV in 2003 announcing counterattacks had pushed the US forces back as the Iraqi army was losing thousands of tanks, hundreds of planes, its entire military infrastructure, while inflicting almost zero damage on the coalition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I've heard it all now. Iran is holding back because Israel will nuke them if they unleash their "real" power.

    Couldn't be because they have a subpar, inferior military that can't hold a candle to the IDF, let alone the USA.

    No….there are far more noble factors at play here, Iran is taking the moral high ground for the benefit of mankind.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 913 ✭✭✭engineerws


    It's hard to parse. Iran could use 60% for nuclear weapons but hasn't done so similar to Japan. Should Japan be attacked too?

    In addition, the attacking countries have nuclear weapons. If they are truly against nuclear weapons they should disarm themselves first before expecting anyone to listen to them.

    Iran has been months away from nuclear weapons for decades but the Ayatollah will not allow nuclear weapons. Who knows what will happen if he's killed.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,987 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    They have a near monopoly that they will lose forever if they try withholding supply.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,427 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Iran seems to be lashing out now like a wounded dog. Makes no sense to be attacking Dubai.

    IAAF and USAF will be in for a busy night, taking out more of the Iranian missile infrastructure.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,243 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    It will come down to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Council (IRGC), the organisation that is supposed to enforce the Islamic State and squash dissent through e.g. killing thousands of protesters. They have a huge influence over the Iranian economy and government today, and it’s mostly their military assets that are being targeted at the moment. If they can be significantly weakened, from inside or outside, then progress will be possible. It won’t be simple or easy, though.

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    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 913 ✭✭✭engineerws


    There you go. For the same reason Iran did not use chemical weapons even when Iraq attacked it with chemical wepons supplied by the West.

    You can read about the fatwa here

    https://ciaotest.cc.columbia.edu/journals/irfa/v4i2/f_0029607_23960.pdf

    Hard to believe you haven't heard this before, it's constantly in the news. You can check Wikipedia etc

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,895 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    That's the thing though - it's a dirty industry that western countries did not want. It would take 5-10 years to spin up plants, expertise and sufficient processing to reduce their dependence on China. Besides processing/refining rare earths China also have the monopoly on metal/alloy production and magnets (vital in many sectors). The west has left itself very exposed. The US, Japan and Australia have started to build plants but it will take years.

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    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭Pat734




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,427 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,764 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Almost certainly, just one look at that account makes it clear it's a regime propaganda channel (and not a very good one either).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,325 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Thats a fairly poor effort at a fake.
    The US are also now claiming he's dead and likelihood is at this point he is.
    What happens next?
    Will the council of experts name a new supreme Ayatollah, or will the IRGC keep control for the duration of this conflict.

    The impact of what's to come, both internally in Iran and the broader ME as the conflict continues after Khameini's death will lead to bloodshed but hopefully it can be minimised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭Homelander


    We'll just agree to radically disagree on that one for the sake of not clogging up the thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane


    The one thing we can all be certain of is that this US administation doesn't have the attention span or intelligence to have thought out any of this long term, this to me is simply a cut the head off the snake and hope what grows back is better scenario…things like failure, long term consequences, strategy, regional stability etc wont have entered into the head of anyone in this establishment.

    We're in no mans land now, literally impossible to predict what comes out of this but if History is anything to go by it wont be good.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,069 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    I think they might have "met" the Americans and Israelis before.

    You seem determined to blame the Iranians for this. This is firmly on Trumps and Netanyahus door.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,987 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    A lot of people in Ireland, some here, who are on the Orc payroll.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,069 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    Keir starmer is possibly the greatest bìtch ever, "we're supporting our allies". What an ass kisser.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,034 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    Ironically, it seems the radical Left have allies on the Far Right, Tucker Carlson.

    Long-time Trump ally and MAGA stalwart Tucker Carlson says Iran strikes are ‘disgusting and evil’: report | The Independent

    No surprise that the same clown who went to Moscow to polish Putin's knob are in full agreement with tankies on the Left about this.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,069 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    He was going to be dead in the next few years anyway. His successor probably already appointed. No boots on the ground, no regime change. Its a bluster from Donny big balls.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,601 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    At that point with Iraq there were large scale US/allied numbers on the ground in terms of troops and armoured vehicles, who had engaged Iraqi military forces on their way to the capital.

    Likewise around Berlin in April 1945.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,524 ✭✭✭Danye


    Yep, unfortunately.

    My views also aren’t limited to this particular war / conflict or whatever it is. Look at Sudan, Gaza, Russia and Ukraine, Yemen, Ethiopia, Myanmar. Cruelty of the highest order. Awful. The poor people at the mercy of these psychopaths and lunatics and nothing is done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,133 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    All 3. There's a reason huge portions of the worlds population hate USA/Israel.

    And we're getting a good lesson on why so many hate Iran. Absolutely wild celebrations coming out of Iran now with the news of their Islamic dictator joining his 72 virgins in heaven.

    I was at an Iranian soccer match once. Not in Iran of course and I'd be lying if it doesn't give me goosebumps seeing them celebrate. They passionately supported and celebrated before and after that match in huge numbers. No women's heads covered, most of them drinking beer and wine. And in great voice of course. And if I remember right they booed their anthem that day. The Persians deserve to be free of Islam.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    The only MAGA guy I know is against the U.S. involvement in this and other foreign wars.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,452 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Neither Trump nor Israelis. Benjamin maybe as it keeps him from prison. I can guarantee you that Israelis do not wish or want any long war with Iran.

    See, Iran is not Gaza Strip. Iranian population vs Israeli is roughly 9x higher. Israel would never launched any attack against Iran if USA would not be basically Israel's vasal state. But any potentially prolonged war where USA would have to put boots on the ground on behalf of Israel is a non starter with USA people anyway. Not even MAGA would sign for that.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,133 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Good to see he's getting absolutely destroyed in the comments. Why would you hold that flag and what it represents. My personal favourite reply.

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    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,024 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    With significant backing from Iran.

    Unfortunately what fills the power vacuum is what we have to worry about now. I doubt it will be better for anyone.

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