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Setting up a Farm as a limited company

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭148multi


    As a sole trader any monies after tax paid your can draw for non business use without further tax issues, but planning for next year's tax should perhaps be foremost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭Conversations 3


    Yea, I'm trying to keep on top of the tax bill, going forward with the proper investments I shouldn't have a tax bill or a very small one.

    I got caught once or twice but a lesson learned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭Aravo


    Are you current in a split with your father. Say if you have a joint herd number you could do a 80/20 split with your dad. So if you have 20% split that would lessen your tax a bit. Any essential purchases coming up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭KAMG


    If its just a joint herd number, and not an official partnership, the profits are split 50/50. Can only do the 80/20 split if there is an official partnership.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭148multi


    I can't answer or advice regarding setting up as a company, the only bit of advice is if you move funds from outside of the partnership to buy stock it's taxable.

    You may entitled to use income averaging and use the savings to invest in tax deductible expenses next year.

    Do your research and get a good accountant.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭Aravo


    A previous thread on joint herd number indicates that 80/20 splits are allowed and are happening. A good accountant would best advise.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2057919416/joint-herd-number-tax



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,676 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Are you calling KAMG a poor accountant? If I remember correctly they are an accountant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭KAMG




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    He hasn't replied back to these answers yet.

    But he has investments to do on farm and has only a 5000 tax bill.

    It's a loan he needs if anything to do this investing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭148multi


    I worked for a company years ago that was very profitable, the boss would get lads to make up a machine or purchase a machine and hire it to his company, to say the least he had great accountants.

    IIt was a mindset like LG company's within companies and paying very little tax and legally paying no vat.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,773 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    That's all fine until it's not.fellas fiddling doesn't just happen with companies it's happens just much with sole traders as well.most people get caught out not by what they do but by what they don't do.back in the 90 revenue clamped on buying drink through the cash and carry and pubs would have a bought a few bottles and a keg or 2 and keep the cash off the books for themselves.from then on you had to sign for stuff bought off the cash and carry so guys stopped it .a couple years later they came back and did audits on any pub where turnover went up after the clampdown



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭148multi


    Not suggesting that my boss was doing anything wrong, he was legally filtering money out of the company and he didn't need to pay vat, all above board, had turn over in the millions.

    Like the men you speak of, I'm told anyone caught using green diesel are audited for previous 7 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    There is loads of fiddling going on from what I see and it’s far from confined to farmers - no shortage of people doing it. You don’t mind small things but some people are taking the p*ss. Two recent examples one farmer one not that I saw: a lad who bought one of them large kids timber treehouses (cost a few thousand) etc while also buying fencing - receipt only showed fencing so the lot against tax (and vat back since fencing is reclaimable).

    Another (not farmer related) was over at a kids party before Christmas and the house owner had a savage new must have been 75 inch oled tv asked him how much it was and he said - it’s worth x but by the time it goes against tax and I get the vat back it’s costing me feck all. I probed a bit and he just included it with work he was getting done in his business premises under “security system” - he said laughing.

    I’d be afraid/embarrassed to be asking businesses for false recipients like this - I’m more surprised they do it than that people ask though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,094 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    How do you think these lads that have companies have all these nice houses with tarmac and nice new cars, go sking or to Australia etc.

    They are not taking it out of the company paying company tax, paying income tax or PRSI etc on it before they pay for a lot of that stuff.

    Its impossible to police a lot of it. However from a revenue point of view the money is being spend within the economy.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭yewdairy


    Why would the business care once they are getting paid. Also very hard refuse a good customer who maybe giving thousands of euro of business each year.

    There are many downsides to running your own business and there are also upsides.

    The two examples you have given are very mild and a lot of people would consider that just having a bit of cop on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭older by the day


    Fuuuck it, more luck to them that they can draw back a bit of extra vat, or hide a few euro from revenue, I wish I could do the same.

    I met a woman the other day, her dad had passed away, a small farmer, an honest man. The revenue are gone back, checking his pension, some of it needs to be paid back by his relatives. Now she got a bill because the farmhouse and she hit with the vacant home tax.

    I'm strongly considering of going back to the biscuits box under the bed, at least if I snuffted it tomorrow, my wife will have it, instead of revenue looking at it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    You shouldn't have stopped the box under the bed to keep some few thousands on hand. You may quit tapping your card like the young ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭older by the day


    When you see how tight fuel and fert can get in 24 hrs, it is important to keep a few thousand at home



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭148multi


    That happens regular, if an old pensioner goes on Joe Duffy there's an awful lot of sympathy. Relative inheriting a house or farm no sympathy plus interest.



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