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Seplos BMS

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭Geeyfds53573


    Neey is the way to go

    If you want to get you hands on one I have one. I’m D18 message me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 456 ✭✭mjatkey


    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,849 ✭✭✭godskitchen


    Hello all,

    Seplos Mason V4 attached to a sunsynk 5kw Ecco.

    Noticed the battery was not charging. Investigated and found the negative cable in a bad way.

    Had the battery connected to the inverter via a Tomzn breaker rated at 150amp. Breaker a left over from previous build.

    When removing cables, I did notice damaged cable terminal on breaker was loose. Not the crimp secured via the nut but the terminal itself. Not sure if went that way after damage...

    Anyone have any ideas as to what happened?

    Post edited by godskitchen on


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Never will know for sure, but very likely a loose connection, generating excess heat, until the breaker failed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 456 ✭✭mjatkey


    Guys, ok so I pulled the 280L apart again and after top balancing the two new cells for a week or so put it back together and added the Neey for a week before I connected it with the Seplos V4 to the inverter yesterday.

    It semed ok until I started to dump the access energy at 10pm last night to drop it back to 10% soc before 2am.

    By 12am one of the cells in it cell 11 (replacement cell) (bat 2) just fell through through the floor and hence the battery stopped discharging a consequence of this is the soc changes (only one battery now) and hence the discharge current is too large to reach the 2am EV window without importing from the grid.

    As I was still awake I just killed the discharge.

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    Cells this morning SOC @95%.

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    cell 11 & 12 these are the "new" cells from Fogstar.

    The existing cells are EVE (not sure what grade), Fogstar didn't have any of these so I bought a couple of these?

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    Straight out of the box they were 3.29V and barely made it to 3.31V after a weeks charging with the bench charger.

    Couple questions, can you sucessfully mix different manufacturers cells, and should these have balanced out with the Neey by now and be following the rest of the pack?

    Should I bare with it or are they just naff cells and try to get some new EVE cells?

    Thanks

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    95% is meaningless when cells are at 3.33v

    Looking at the min and max voltage that doesn't look balanced. Also need to verify the BMS isn't measuring wrong also

    The neey should be set to only balance when a cell voltage is at 3.5 and above.

    It shouldnt balance below this voltage.

    Force charge the battery and give the balancer a chance to work

    If hitting high voltage cut off, reduce the voltage until that doesn't happen. But keep it charging.

    When all cells are the same slowly bump up the voltage until all cells are 3.6 and then you should be good to go.

    As it's a new cell it should be able to perform better than the rest of the pack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 Nice4daddy


    Approaching completion of the 16kW Semplos battery installation. Some setting to do and then connecting the battery to the inverter. Undertook the top balancing activity to charge each cell up to 3.65v as requested by Fogstar (it took ages). Built the battery and powered on (not connected to the inverter at this stage). It displayed SOC at 100%. Made up the USB dongle and connected into the Semplos site. It shows two high voltage alarms. The only changes I've made from factory default is the A/h setting to match the cells.

    Firstly; is it safe for me to connect the battery to the inverter?

    Secondly; what changes do I need to make to remove the HV alarms?

    BMS Settings with HV.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 456 ✭✭mjatkey


    Thanks graememk, all noted. I will change the Neey settings and give it another go. Will I leave it connected with the V4 on the inverter or seprate it and use a rectifier to charge it. The tricky part is getting it to discharge hence the connecting to inverter?

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Either would work fine. Both will have the same function.

    Are you able to pull the graph for all the cells?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 456 ✭✭mjatkey


    Yeap, last three days below, cells 11 and 12 are the low ones (new) and high is cell 7 (original), discharging now (00:40) @ 70amps looks like cells 11 and 12 are dropping rapidly?

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Yeah that just looks like out of balance.

    If it was a poor cell it would be both high when charged and low on discharge. Your cells are just low on discharge



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 456 ✭✭mjatkey


    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 456 ✭✭mjatkey


    Hi, yes looks good to me hook it up to the inverter and let it start earning money, out of curiosity how long was long for the top balance and did you connect all the cells in parallel with bus bars and charge at 3.65v 10a?

    The alarms will clear once you start using it, give it a couple of charges and discharges with the inverter and see how it goes.

    I think cell high is 3.5v and bat high is 55v, most setting on the Seplos can be changed but generally especially with the V4 with the active JK balancer other than the capacity it should work fine.

    You do need to blue tooth to the JK balancer and set one parameter on that

    https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1347/0997/files/JK_Balancer_Upgrade_1.pdf?v=1750082480

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 456 ✭✭mjatkey


    Ok so back at the apartment have the Huawei rectifier connected to the 280L charging is set at 57V @ 4amps. The cells spread is very small at the moment and don't see the new cells lagging behind like they were.

    Should I leave it at the low charge current or wind it up to 40amps and see what happens?

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Keep charging until the pack is at 57v

    You won't see any spread until cells start to pass 3.4v



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 456 ✭✭mjatkey


    Thanks graememk, so kept it trickle charging all night, dropped the curent down to 2amp at 6 this morning with the voltage still at 57v on the rectifier.

    So looks like the highest it got was 55.59v before the COVP kicked in.

    Should I just leave it connected to the recifier and see if the balance improves?

    Is there any point in making changes to the Seplos balance settings?

    I have the neey connected and set as below.

    Or should I just pull it all completely apart and top balance all the cells from scratch?

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    I'll get a screenshot of my settings, but what you have will get the job done for now anyway.

    But leave it on, the neey will balance it out, see that you have a few cells at 3.65 but some still at 3.3x that is the unbalanced pack showing up now.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Oh as you have the neey you can disable the seplos balancing completely



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 456 ✭✭mjatkey


    Thanks graememk, so leave it connected even though it keeps going into standby? I've changed the settings on the Seplos now so its no longer trying to balance.

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    do you know what setting in the seplos that allows charge again?

    (Obviously it is waiting until a cell voltage to drop below a certain value before it lets it charge again)

    I'd set it to 3.55

    So it will charge until a cell hits 3.65, let it drop to 3.55 and then the charger will top it up again, rinse and repeat



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 456 ✭✭mjatkey


    Ok, so I have set the COVP to 3.55v, I think the charge fet is active once either the Batt over volt recovery or Cell high recovery are reached could be both or either not sure?

    Would there be any benefit in pulling the front of it and connecting the bench charger to the offending cells one at a time or is not possible to charge individual cell at same time as charging the pack?

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    The recovery needs to be risen too.

    It will cut off at 3.55 but then also won't start again until it drops below 3.4, rise the recovery voltage too.

    You may need to tweak a few more settings so it doesnt be firing alarms under normal conditions (looking at the total voltage alarm and such)

    If you can keep it charging the neey will work great, I tried manually doing it too before I had a neey, wouldn't go back. Just let it work



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 456 ✭✭mjatkey


    Thanks graememk.

    So I've made some changes and can get it to standby/charge every 20mins or so, but looking at it this morning it to me looks like very little is happening, I would have expected the minimum cell to creep up to the max cell?

    The Neey is doing what it should taking current from the high cells and adding it to the low cells, but the low cells seem to just be sat there not increasing in voltage at all.

    Should I just leave it at it or strip and top balance all the cells?

    I've turned the rectifier off now.

    What do you suggest?

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    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Patience, it's working away as intended.

    Let it do it's work.

    As you have multiple cells low, it will be bouncing between them all.

    It seems that it will be doing v little for a good while and all of a sudden it will be balanced

    Keep the rectifier on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 456 ✭✭mjatkey


    Thanks graememk, rectifier back on will leave alone.

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 456 ✭✭mjatkey


    Finally, thanks graememk.

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Nearly there, bump up the max voltage to 3.65 for the last push



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 456 ✭✭mjatkey


    Thanks graememk, yeah was thinking that, will have to wait till I'm up there at the weekend as I don't have remote access to the BMS itself. I can up the rectifier voltage ok but not the COVP.

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



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