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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    The obsession with Israel on the thread about Iran is beyond bizarre.

    The US is negotiating with Iran, Israel are not involved in the discussions, why should anything apply to them?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭rapul


    Every report about the discussions between Iran and USA is what Israel wants and what Israels red lines are, it's all bout Israel, come on now .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    South Africa hasn’t suffered numerous assassinations of government figures by a neighbouring country. Are you proposing that they should just trust Netanyahu? From the mullahs’ point of view that would be literally suicidal.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    You said Russia continues to use Iranian missiles. For a moment I thought you were breaking news. I should have known you just made it up 😞.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    On any topic about Israel you deflect to Qatar, Iran, Afghanistan.

    Admit your biases and people may not take issue with your constant defence of a genocidal regime.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    Iran can give up its cache of enriched Uranium and let the inspectors back to ensure that no weapon-grade Uranium is being enriched.

    Israel should give up its nukes, sure. But while the USA is its friend, nobody can force them to do that. It doesn't mean that we should cheer for everyone to have nukes.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    It should apply to them because Israel attacked Iran in June on the basis of Iran being months away from building a nuke for the last 30 years according to Bibi.

    If the deal is about bringing stability to the region, then no country in the region should have nukes.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    You see no issues with Russia using the missiles their Iranian ally delivered to bomb innocent people and colonise their land in a war of imperial this conquest Iranian ally started?

    The hypocrisy of the far Left is something else to behold

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    You made it up.
    Russia haven’t used Iranian missiles in Ukraine.

    Stop pretending to be outraged about things that have not happened.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    According to America's own intelligence services there is no evidence Iran is intent on building a nuke.

    In any case If Iran does agree give up its nuclear energy programme( which its entitled to have as a signature to the (IAEA)in a deal with America.

    America should then insist on Israel giving up its nukes.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    These days, the US and Israel are joined at the hip, and Netanyahu has been advocating in the US for war with Iran for years. In 2015 he spoke to a rare Joint Session of Congress (without the consent of President Obama), one of a record four he has given, about the imminent arrival of an Iranian nuclear bomb and whom did he invite as a guest? None other than his friend and benefactor, Arnon Milchan, who illegally exported, ie stole, nuclear switches from the US in the Seventies and Eighties. What an insult to America to bring that man there. There is also some evidence Netanyahu was personally involved in that mission as alleged by the only person who went to prison for it, Richard Kelly Smyth. Netanyahu was working for Milchan at the time in a front company in Israel. Needless to say, I’ve never seen an American journalist ask him about that. Furthermore, Israel interferes as much as it can in US negotiations with Iran and was reliably accused of spying on and leaking them in a previous round. Now we have Kushner leading the US team. Netanyahu has literally stayed in the Kushner family home! Suffice to say, any discussion of America and Iran legitimately involves Israel.

    Between 1979 and 1983, approximately 800 krytrons — high-speed electronic switches capable of triggering nuclear weapons — disappeared from the United States and materialized in Israel.⁵ The operation, codenamed “Project Pinto,” represented one of the most significant breaches of U.S. nuclear security during the Cold War.

    Extradited to face charges, Smyth pleaded guilty in November 2001 to violating the Arms Export Control Act. He was sentenced to forty years in prison and fined $20,000, though he gained early release after serving less than four years, citing advanced age.¹²

    Arnon Milchan was never charged.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    But Israel should be allowed keep it's nukes right? Because they are the "good guys". It's fine for Israel to be exempt from NPT because they are the bastion of reason, peace and justice. As long as they keep their nuclear weapons secret of course. The mental gymnastics of it all.

    Some facts…

    Iran doesn't have nukes. That's the whole point of the Israel/US attack force.

    In March 2025, the US intelligence community assessed that Iran was “not building a nuclear weapon.”

    In June 2025, Trump said airstrikes had “obliterated” its nuclear program.

    But but John Wayne…

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    Not only have they used them the Russians are sending hundreds of Iranian designed drones night after night to kill innocent people

    The lengths you are going to not only defend a regime that kills its own people at home but also innocent people abroad to enable wars of colonial conquest makes it clear your fall into the blinkered binary view of the world where you have no issues not only not denouncing carry on that’s being the pale but actively trying to excuse, deflect and downplay their crimes

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    This has nothing to do with Iran's energy program. Zilch. Iran can enrich Uranium for its nuclear power stations.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    You really trying to insist that no Iranian weaponry is used night after night to kill help their Axis of 💩 allies kill civilians in Ukraine for 5 years now? Wow

    The far left is truly morally bankrupt

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    You are outraged about Iranian missiles being used in Ukraine.
    When you were told it wasn’t true you doubled down and ranted.
    You were wrong. You are still wrong.
    Own it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Can you counter his article with proof and without the drama? I would have thought you were correct in your assumption but proof always wins the argument.

    Re all this "far left" stuff, this is Trumpian rhetoric - blaming the far left for everything, including ICE killings. Are you a Trump supporter?

    Texas Ice facility shooting: Republicans blame ‘radical left’ as Democrats focus on victims and gun control | ICE (US Immigration and Customs Enforcement) | The Guardian

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    What is it about Apiarist?

    Claims from a serial liar who is up on corruption charges? We should believe him over the March assessment by America's own director of National intelligence who stated there was no evidence that Iran are building a nuke.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    I disagree. The rules apply all the time or none of the time - no exceptions. Not Israel, not Iran, not the mighty US or even Europe.

    If Israel is allowed to have nukes I say give them to Iran. Hell give every middle eastern sh*thole a nuke.

    The hypocrisy and double standards on here are laughable.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,852 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    "We" (as in the Irish people/state/individuals) ultimately won't be doing anything in relation to the Iranian situation. "We'll" talk about it but ultimately it's up to the Americans what happens here.

    Being frank about it, there are cohorts of people all over the world dying in the streets - "we" certainly cannot save all of them, it is up to the americans in many cases what happens and history has shown us that getting involved in other nations issues, doesn't alway bring about the results that you hope for.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    In their public statements Iranian leaders are often difficult to distinguish from Israelis of fifty to sixty years ago:

    “the source of any idea that we are building a nuclear weapon is specious…. We are building…a research facility for the purpose of industry, agriculture, medicine, and science—peaceful purposes only.”

    Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion, responding, in December, 1960, to reports that had reached President-elect John Kennedy—a known opponent of nuclear proliferation—that Israel was working on a bomb at its reactor in Dimona. 

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I actually think completely opposite to that. I think it's very very sad that we live in a world with nuclear weapons in 9 countries in 2026. Pathetic really. We are such a stupid species. Getting thicker by the day. I grew up in the 70s/80s and there was a rational fear during the Cold War around WWIII and the end of civilisation. The movie 'Wargames' gave me nightmares! I remember distinctly being delighted as a young boy when Reagan met Gorbachev in Iceland to discuss the full elimination of nuclear weapons in an agreed timeframe. They came close to an agreement but Reagan insisted on his Star Wars program being exempt and the negotiations broke down. Anyway, 41 years later and we have doubled the number of countries with nuclear weapons. Yes we have less actual missiles but the 12,000 we have are much more powerful. Strike that, I am Irish - the 12,000 they have. Humanity will end if they are ever let loose.

    The Doomsday clock was 3 mins to midnight in 1985. It's 85 seconds to midnight now. Tick tock.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Hey, the mullahs be speaking Orange Man’s language now. Or trying to:

    Iran is seeking to offer financial incentives to US President Donald Trump in a bid to reach an agreement on its nuclear program and avert an American attack, the Financial Times reports.

    According to one source quoted in the report, the Islamic Republic will appeal to Trump’s affinity for deal-making and float a “bonanza” to the US, including investments in its large oil and gas industries.

    Such an offer would be “specifically directed at Trump, a major economic bonanza in oil and gas and mining rights, critical minerals and all of that”, the source tells FT.



    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/iran-said-to-be-floating-economic-bonanza-for-us-in-bid-to-avert-attack/

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    If you bother to read my posts in Trump thread {or for that matter this one} you will clearly see I’m not as he is a deplorable scumbag

    But then again I’m arguing with someone who supports Iranian and North Korean weapons and tech and even troops being used to colonise and invade innocent people

    Someone who earlier on was also defending the Iranian regime killing its own people en masse for rebelling against the authoritarian regime both of you are going way out of your way for some bizzare reason to defend

    Morally and ethically bankruptcy and extreme hypocrisy exposed right here on this thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Again you didn't answer the question (what a surprise)…why all the accusatory "far left" stuff? Did you copy this rhetoric from someone?

    I don't know if anything you posted above re SafeSurfer is true but why don't you prove him wrong with facts/links? It's quite simple. Try and win the argument.

    All you seem to do is make up simplistic erroneous "conclusions" and "stuff" e.g. You now have concluded that I am defending the Iranian regime's recent murder spree. That's just lies and you know that. It's a desperate attempt at some credibility. For your record - I would love the Iranian people to overthrow their crazy backward government. And I think they will some day. Soon hopefully. I think all religions are a nonsense and should have zero influence on the running/politics of a country. I abhor all violence.

    Re morally and ethically bankrupt - you are the man who thinks US foreign policy started in 2000 and anything previous to that has no impact in 2026. Wow.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    What’s the difference between both of yees far left stance which defends Iranian regime murder of its people and its actions to help fuel wars abroad like what’s being done against Ukraines

    And Trumps far right regimes who murders it’s on people {albeit a few of orders of magnitude less} and fuel wars abroad like what was done against Gaza


    Two cheeks of same bloodthirsty a***hole

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What the hell are you on about?? All over the shop. Is this what you called nuanced debate? Do you actually read the posts you reply to??

    Who has this "your far left stance which defends Iranian regime murder of its people"? Me? Find me a single post that proves this please. Or a single post which even comes near to suggesting it. Take your time sunshine.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    As a young fella I knew some genuine communists who believed in the state ownership of the means of production as they used to put it. By contrast, I’ve voted for Fine Gael, the Liberal Party of Canada and the Canadian Progressive Conservative party. Now I find for the first time in my life that I’m accused of being far left or a radical leftist/Marxist. To start with that’s an insult to genuinely left-wing people who would agree with me on virtually nothing.

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