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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,315 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Can you give some details of what you class as "Even against England he made some terrible decisions."



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,314 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    **** Jesus, back to the ten "debate".

    Plenty of heat, not much light on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,761 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    He decided on a kick to the right when keeping the ball in hand was the right thing to do, that gave the ball straight back to England when holding onto it would have had us well inside their 22. He threw an awful pass that was intercepted. There were a couple of poor cross field kicks and he missed a fair few tackles as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,315 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I can't recall your first point but the rest aren't poor decisions. Poor execution does not equal poor decision

    Look, we all know you prefer Harry but Andy has never elevated him above 4th choice for Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,791 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    There's no way the ten debate is over, but surely it's at least on hold for now?

    Crowley made some mistakes against England but on balance it was a good display. Prendergast did some good things against France and Italy but on balance, he wasn't great.

    Until something happens to shift that balance again, it isn't really a question who should play.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,761 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    He hasn't, yet, but I'm hoping he does. Who'd have ever guessed that he'd have decided to make Frawley no.2?

    I'm a Connacht fan, he's coming to us next season, and I'd never have even contemplated it and don't agree with it. That's not to say he isn't good enough but you have to be playing the position with some regularity to be even considered in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,315 ✭✭✭✭phog


    That doesn't explain the "poor decisions" you claim that Crowley made v England



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,761 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I already spoke about them. You appear to think that a bad cross field kick isn't a bad decision. You can't remember the awful kick along the ground to the right so all you think he did wrong was the awful pass.

    Sounds like a very blinkered memories and opinions to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,315 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Sounds like a very blinkered memories and opinions to me

    There is nothing blinkered about it and you can leave that leave that sh1t out of the discussion.

    You appear to think that a bad cross field kick isn't a bad decision. You can't remember the awful kick along the ground to the right so all you think he did wrong was the awful pass.

    Even if we all accept that poor execution equals a terrible decision then you only have listed something like 3 pieces of play, none of which was terrible.

    Over the course of the game I don't recall wondering why he took a decision in play that I would have considered a terrible one and you haven't posted anything that would make me change my mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,761 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    The kick along the ground would be kindly described as a terrible decision. The intercepted pass was stupid and awful. One of the cross field kicks should not have been attempted. Some of the missed tackles were Sam Prendergast level.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭Le Bruise


    I wouldn't describe the pass as awful. It was millimetres away from being a great pass that Marcus Smith did very well to intercept. On another day it would have been a slap down and yellow card against him. Also the grubber kick, hits off an opposing players foot, happens all the time!

    I really don't get where this narrative of Crowley being a poor offensive player comes from. When on song, he has a whole range of passes and can break the gainline on numerous occasions. He can also kick pass very effectively (perhaps not his best execution at times on Saturday).

    What he suffers from is pushing it too hard at times. Trying to get every inch out of a kick or pull off the glory play. What he did really well last Saturday was reign that in and let others around him shine by facilitating them with nice crisp passing and organisation. His place kicking has come on a lot too (one bad shank aside).

    But we get it, you want Harry Byrne to get a shot (even though you're apparently not a fan) and think both Crowley and SP are a waste of a jersey until someone more deserving comes through. Don't worry, we'll be all aboard the Casper Gabriel hype train soon enough!!😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,315 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I'll leave you have the last word because no matter how I phase it you're unable to tell me of these "terrible decisions" you claim he made.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,102 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    Ok lets play. JGP wasn't 10 out of 10 either, threw a few shaky passes including one to nobody. ToB missed a straight up tackle that lead to a try on 52 minutes. Dorris knocked on from a simple pass from JGP around his own 5M, Osbourne's handling was poor at times. I could literally go though the whole team making mistakes, except for Bobby B who was pretty flawless. We made plenty of mistakes, but England didn't punish them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,102 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    I watched a minute and it was pretty much a guy kicking the ball out of his own 22, I grew bored and stopped..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,882 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


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    Perfect time for Farrell to depart, and good luck to him.

    The end of 2027 will see him involved in the Irish team for fourteen and a half years, an extraordinarily long time in any coaching scenario.

    These things always need a refresh and it will be an ideal time for Richie Murphy to take over.

    If Farrell has a big deal like that on offer from Sarries, he'd be stupid not to take it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭almostover


    He's also not as offensively good as Crowley either as I've pointed out to you before.

    Why is he a safer bet if he's not as good in attack or defence than the guy currently starting?

    There may be a case for Byrne to be the 2nd choice option over a currently out of form Prendergast, I'll grant you that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,489 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    FYI the poster you are responding to is a Connacht fan so your...analysis...probably won't get the desired reaction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,102 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    Not looking for a reaction, just taking each post on a case by case basis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    You'd wish Farrell all the best for sure, but will be too soon for Richie Murphy, imo. (Fwiw, I understand why, but I really don't like the idea of going into a RWC with the players knowing the coach is leaving immediately post-tournament).

    It'll be interesting to see who the IRFU go for after Farrell; they seem to like an internal appointment so Easterby could be on the cards, but I think it would be a little on the underwhelming side.

    I don't think Cullen is a viable candidate, the only thing that might change that would be successive Champions Cup wins this season and next, imo.

    You'd imagine ROG is a name that'll be linked with it a lot too with his CV. I do wonder if an outside appointment could be on the cards.

    Lancaster as well is a name who will be linked with it at some point too, you'd imagine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,088 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    I don't think O'Gara is a suitable candidate. Frankly, his behaviour on the sidelines is disgraceful.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,012 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    James Lowe will miss the rest of the Six Nations with a groin injury. It's a shame for him as he was coming into good form. Thought he was excellent against Italy.

    In his absence I hope we continue on with TOB and Baloucoune as starting wings. Was very refreshing seeing the speed at which we counterattacked last weekend. For all of Lowe's undoubted qualities, he isn't a speedster like the former.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,785 ✭✭✭50HX


    This keeps being stated

    He would be up in the coaches box at Test level.

    Yes his discipline has been poor at LAR but he's a smart enough guy to know that can't carry on into Test level.

    He would be in the mix but I expect IRFU to continue to promote from within as they have being doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    It was steph du toit. Aki might have been in team of the tournament, or maybe Irish player of the tournament. But defo not player of the tournament.

    I dunno - for me it just confusing that a player can show this form for the first time for the country at age 33. I know he was in the squad previously, but I guessing he has started less than 10 times?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭Jelly Welly


    Mod Edit

    Warning issued.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,791 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    he's a smart enough guy to know that can't carry on into Test level.

    Smart enough to know he can't do it at test level, but not smart enough to stop doing it at Top 14?

    It's not about being smart, it's about self-control, and tbh he doesn't have it. How many times has he been banned, five, six? No, he's not a candidate, especially with LAR's trajectory.

    I'd be very surprised if the next head coach is anyone other than Easterby or Murphy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Had a quick look, he's down for 20 starts (going back to his debut in 2015/16 season). 7 of them are this season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 977 ✭✭✭antfin


    I wouldn't be too surprised to see a direct swap with Mark McCall, although I reckon he would be more of a replacement for Borthwick, which could be sooner than Farrell's contract expiry!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Is it too obvious to point out that "LAR's trajectory" being downwards in large part because of how far ROG took them… upwards?

    ROG may not get the job but personally, I don't think we're in any position to entirely rule out a 2 time Champions Cup winning manager.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,053 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    I suppose everyone feels they have a shelf life. I will be sorry to see him go if this happens.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It is not like they have fallen back to mid-table mediocrity. They are pretty much falling apart at the seams it seems.

    The IRFU are (rightly) not going to have any interest in a coach who has been banned 6 times for his comments (making up the guts of a full season of bans!), learns no lesson from it, is very bizarrely constantly in the media despite being an active coach.

    I am sure they would be interested in bringing him in as an assistant if he was interested but there is no way he is going to leap into the head coach role with his track record.



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