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Slowing down to overtake.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Saying there are bad drivers in both older and younger population groups is not ageist.

    I agreed with you that we need more enforcement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The number of middle age people having accidents dwarfs those other age groups. Why ignore that to target less significant age groups. Makes no sense.

    "...Confirmation Bias: Favoring information that confirms existing beliefs...."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I'm not ignoring any age group.

    Both young and older drivers haven't received any motorway driving instruction.

    Look up the definition of ageism while you have the dictionary page open.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    "...Middle-Aged (25–64): Motorway-specific data indicates that 68% of fatalities occur in this age range, a higher proportion than on other road types..."

    The numbers, the data, doesn't match your theory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭creedp


    Some people are very egalitarian minded and get defensive when individual age cohorts, especially older people are singled out for criticism. TBH all age groups act the bollix on motorways and it’s not all down to training or knowledge, sometimes it’s just down to pure stupidity and self interest.

    My young lad was a passenger with a newly qualified driver recently, proudly displaying his N plate, who was hogging the motorway outside lane even with cars behind him and an empty left lane. When asked why he didn’t move left he said fcuk em Im going quick enough. Just an entitled bollix no amount of training could overcome



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The usual tropes are popular in the media. People lap it up. But the numbers don't add up.

    When I look at the people driving badly especially on motorways it's usually 25-65 adults with a bad attitude. Theres just more drivers in that age group. Like a lot more.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,528 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Both young and older drivers haven't received any motorway driving instruction.

    So exactly when did those in the middle range get motorway driving instruction? (Hint: they didn't!)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,088 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    Some people, when overtaken, seems to take it as a personal insult. It's bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭KildareP


    I think it's 2 as well. Very common on the M7/M8. Very annoying.

    I suspect a lot of people genuinely have no concept of what speed they're doing - like when a speed van comes into view and they dive on the brakes despite the fact they weren't over the speed limit anyway.

    Or the 80 in a 100, 80 in an 80, 80 in a 60 club members.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,266 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    If you're not willing to break the speed limit to overtake a car doing 119kph then just stay behind the 119kph car....simple



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    While I will jokingly say that it is #1 it's most likely #2

    But there is a growing number of people who are driving our motorways at 100-110 and don't speed up when overtaking - meaning they are overtaking the vehicle in front of them at about an extra 1-2km/h. You might notice this more when using cruise control, specifically adaptive, because you're noticing more of what's happening on the road. As annoying as it is you're likely becoming a more attentive driver



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭elperello




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    It's not a theory, it's factual, almost all of the drivers in that age group you mention have no formal training for motorway driving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭eronayne


    I have see this also a bit. I think the cause is adaptive cruise control.

    Car is catching in front ACC ckicks in and slows the overtaking car to match the speed of the car in front.

    Driver pulls out into the overtaking lane and allows the ACC bring the speed of the car back up to 120 or whatever it is set to



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭creedp


    Agree, it’s what happens when drivers overly dependent on car’s safety/driver assistance systems rather than actually be in control of driving the car. I think it’s more problematic on busy motorways when drivers using acc can’t overtake a slower car on time and their car slows to match the speed of car in front. When a gap appears the driver pulls out and it takes a second for the acc to start accelerating up to set speed. If you coming up behind this car you’re going to have to slow down to match this speed and it appears the car in front is matching the car it’s overtaking.

    My M3P can also sometimes apparently get confused if driving what it considers too close to a truck being overtaken and matches the truck speed rather that continue to accelerate. In addition the acc is quite lethargic at accelerating up to speed which can be frustrating especially for a car behind approaching at 120kph. Of course the solution, if you’re interested in minimising annoyance to other drivers, is to hit the accelerator to force the car up to speed more quickly. Of course most drivers are oblivious to other drivers which is why you get those dwadling on the outside lane, including truck drivers attempting to overtake another truck while climbing an incline at a delta of 1 or 2kph.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    But they aren't causing the majority of accidents. It may be factually true but it's irrelevant to the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Except the OP said it's people slowing down AFTER they've moved into the overtaking lane. So that's not ACC.

    Might depend on the car but my ACC responds pretty quickly to a clear lane in front.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭creedp


    Oh I know!! Driver driving at 120kph is a safe and considerate individual while one overtaking at 125kph is a marauding mass murderer. Simple binary 1 0 thought processing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭creedp


    True but sometimes driving errantly has unintended consequences resulting in other drivers taking evasive action which can cause accidents with the original safe driver obliviously driving off safely into the sunset.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 109 ✭✭NS77


    Yep - ACC is an issue, but likely not applicable in the OPs case.. my two cents is that when some drivers get out to overtake, they're nervous about being in between the vehicle on the left and the barrier on the right. My sis-in-law won't drive on motorways for this reason



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Irrelevant, it's an interesting suggestion.

    But I can't help thinking that in a discussion about bad motorway driving the fact that almost all the drivers have never had a lesson or any training on how to drive on a motorway may indeed be somewhat relevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The flaw in "lessons" logic is the accident rates of young drivers who have just got their licences and mandatory lessons. They aren't uninformed they simply ignore what they were taught.

    Motorway driving is quite simple. Anyone who has got to the stage of being allowed to drive on a motorway has already had a bunch of lessons in general driving. It's not a massive step up and someone who is completely clueless as your suggesting.

    Afaik The Theory test includes motorways and we can see the most common failed questions includes those about motorways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Such drivers would logically just not overtake at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    If you're in the overtaking lane (or any lane) you have an obligation to anticipate in what's ahead of you and people merging at different speeds is motorway driving 101.

    Someone in the overtaking lane matching speed with the middle lane shouldn't cause a hysterical reaction from those behind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    My point is that never having driven on a motorway they have not been adequately taught.

    I think driving on a motorway is far from simple.

    I didn't say anyone is clueless just that they lack certain skills and experience.

    Yes there is a motorway module in the theory test which is good but not a substitute for practical experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    I know two people who will not do a motorway drive, both woman.

    One did it once and refused to ever again, the other won't even try it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭creedp


    I’m theory no but of course the theory test doesn’t always materialise in reality. It doesn’t have to be a hysterical reaction…why does everything have to be so dramatic? There are more issues on motorways that an overtaking driver matching the speed of middle/left lane driver. It’s all about context, something ot can be difficult to experience in a theory test



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I know a woman who passed her driving test in a large UK city.

    She was delighted and felt very confident until a couple of weeks later she decided to have a day out that included a motorway trip.

    To say she found it challenging would be a serious understatement.

    She went back to the school of motoring and they signed her up for a few motorway lessons.

    Never looked back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 33,259 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    I'd take them any day over the gobshites who drive on the motorway with absolutely no regard to the rules that are there to keep us all safe at high speeds.

    At least they recognise their limitations.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Hyperbole is a useful tool.

    The context is the OP post. All I can see in the training is how to overtake. In terms of law it's unclear how this would be fined. I'm talking of failing to overtake by slowing down.

    If it's actually as you implied dangerous or simply annoying.

    If you widen the scope to all driving in motorways it completely details any focus to the thread.



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