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General Irish politics discussion thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭tarvis


    The handling of the first decision to cut a schools allocation reflected a lack of knowledge of the front line challenges and a lack of respect for those doing that front line work.

    For many in public service it seems the system would work great if it weren’t for the public.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    But you are not robbing Peter to pay Paul, you are moving resources to where they are most needed. This has been going on for decades for teachers, and for 20 years for SNAs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,088 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Again that sounds like the same strategy. Where they are most needed doesn't mean they aren't needed where they are also. There's a huge shortfall in the system, it needs to be upped to cope with it's needs, not taken from one place to fix another. Anyway, the reversal has made it obvious that the plan as it was presented is inadequate and needs to be improved on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,272 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It's allocating resources where they are most needed. Pupils move on, enrolment numbers change, so the need for SNAs (and teachers) changes

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,335 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    https://x.com/Ireland_Votes/status/2026779284531032071

    Well oddly enough SF have decided to go with Boylan , she knows where the bodies are buried or Mary Lou is deluded enough to the SF brand is enough to get the job done.

    Gillian wasn't a slam dunk tbf, but seemed a very much formidable candidate. Daniel Ennis should win easily enough now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,613 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    In theory yes, but it would need much more consultation with the actual schools. It seems they were using some sort of algorithm to decide if SNAs should be reduced or increased, hence some crazy decisions on allocations being made.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,871 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I think the main takeaway here is that Mary Lou personally courted Gillian Sherratt, yet despite the leader's imprimatur she hasn't been selected. In Mary Lou's own yard no less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,335 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Its all very embarrassing , I know some will say "celebrity candidates" aren't slam dunks , but I think Sheratt would have won easily enough. Boylan I suppose has being around for a while so maybe SF are prioritising that over actually winning the constituency!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,052 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    The SDs say they would provide free GP care for everyone by 2030.

    A GP was interviewed yesterday and said it was unworkable.

    These are not serious people.

    Some wonder why FFG keep getting voted back in.

    The alternative is the shinners who think Ukraine shouldn't be getting weapons to defend themselves and a joke of a party like the SDS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    A very unusual loss of control. I wonder will there be a purge of the constituency. Was Boylan close to Dowdall?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Sheratt running for another party (or as independent, but another party would be harsher) now would be the icing on the shitshow cake.

    She may want to run and have zero allegiance to SF



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,272 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Presumably they're using the same method which allocated the SNAs in the first place, those schools weren't complaining then. And what's the point of consultation - what school is going to say "ah yeah grand, we don't need that SNA any more". It seems in this country that "consultation" means never accepting a decision you don't fully agree with

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,915 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Was it not that they simply altered the ratio, without explanation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    I think you're short 3 links to the 3 affirmations you made.

    As for a GP saying something is unworkable, it would be interesting to see why - statements like that usually mean "Gimme more money".

    IIRC when the NHS was being set up in Britain, the relevant minister said "I stuffed the doctors' mouths with money" to get them to agree. And believe you me, Irish doctors are no slouches in that regard either.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Trying to get a party nomination then running as an independent if she didn't would just highlight how politically naive and unsuitable she is though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Don't think the mass public think that way very much

    Aontu or II will probably both be snapping at her, terrible entities but also just as opportunist as SF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    You've just proved it's not workable, if the practicalities don't get it, the greed of the doctors will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Fanny Wank


    There aren't enough GPs in the country as is. Giving free GP care will simply make the situation worse. It is unworkable. But then again it was suggested by the Soc Dems so the default for any sane person should be to laugh (see previous Sinead Gibney suggestion we nationalise social media companies among many, many others)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,871 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Sinéad Gibney is a liability. An absolute walking disaster every time she opens her gob.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,574 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Because she thinks that gp visits should be free? It's a valid political position to hold like...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The timeline is grossly unrealistic without also being backed up by plausible recruitment and infrastructure plans.

    Which it appears it is not.

    The existing GP capacity in this country cannot take the ~60% increase in visits that happen when visits become free; as it can barely cope as it is. Just turning on the tap, even if you do a Nye Bevan "stuff[ed] their mouths with gold" thing to existing GPs, will not cause a rapid increase in GP availability.

    The state needs to build primary care centres, refurbish existing health centres and most likely hire GPs as staff to do such a thing.

    That is an outcome I am in favour of, but I don't believe the SDs have a plan to do it. They are an exceptionally shallow entity, a collection of poor candidate choices coalescing to be a party around the shadows of a former leader who hasn't really left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭rock22


    Does not Sláintecare, the government's strategy announced a number of years ago not provide for free access at point of care with universal insurance ? At leas that was what Harris indicated when he was minister of health.

    "The state needs to build primary care centres, refurbish existing health centres and most likely hire GPs as staff to do such a thing. "

    As far as I know, all GP practices are private businesses and are not employed by the state



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    It does, but the current government have not moved an inch towards delivery.

    Currently, with a tiny few exceptions*, GP practices are private businesses, and contractors to the state for medical card services; albeit most outside of urban areas are tenants of the HSE for their premises.

    This is no longer working.

    *in severe circumstances where no GP is willing to take on a medical card list as a contractor, and they cannot just make people go somewhere else, the HSE will hire someone as temporary staff to do it. Inisheer/Inishmaan was like this for years, may still be.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,712 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    The problem with SNAs is they were originally hired to deal with extreme cases of need, where pupils needed frequent attention regarding basic needs. Such children were previously dealt with by special schools. However, more SNAs were hired to broaden their remit without tight control.

    Now SNAs have increased in numbers and are appointed to deal with the current alphabet of conditions that were never heard of when the system was introduced.

    What is required is a clear definition of the applicable 'special need' and the amount of time the SNA needs to deal with it. This would result in a quantitative number of SNAs in a school which can then be budgeted for and the correct number of staff hired and allocated.

    We have had mission creep where the requirements have been allowed to spread to edge cases, and these are then used to justify further spread. An example is the length a parent is prepared to go to get a diagnosis of a condition to qualify for an SNA in a school.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    You think FFG are incapable of handing loads-a-munny to the GPs? I remember a case some years ago where a GP asked the HSE to buy him one of those nice automatic gates to protect his surgery, and did they say NO? not on yer nelly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Almost every other country has classroom assistants employed to assist the teacher and children

    There is no 'qualify for an SNA' diagnosis

    That model is long gone



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,712 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    I don't think the model has gone, but it has weakened by creeping definitions.

    That is what the trouble was about. An attempt was made to redefine the SNA as it was originally, but that was much stricter than the basis that many of the SNAs were working to currently.

    Are SNAs assigned to a student with special needs, or are they assigned to a particular class or classroom to assist the teacher with any children that need special assistance?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,088 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    They are assigned to help and assist all students with different problems. Toileting, hygiene, mobility etc. There are various roles and it's a school based service more than a single student, though some children may need constant attention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,088 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Govt need to be very strong on this.

    The price of heating oil on the company that I use for heating oil jumped from €996 per 1000 litres on Friday to over €1200 yesterday.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    All they will do is finger wag. We haven't had price controls put on anything since, weirdly, Dublin pubs just before the Euro changeover. The legislation to cap prices was revoked in 2007.

    There are emergency regulations that can be used, but they won't be.



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