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Spreading slurry in heavy rain

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,060 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    It's like the bogus reports of water quality being better years ago when everyone was tilling and bedding with straw. I showed the teagasc reports water quality was actually worse.

    The above is just the VFluence originated influence tillage group in Ireland really getting their boots stuck in. They'll want to control every facate of agricultural life in Ireland. A Chemical group that was telling governments worldwide how they should think re tillage and agrichemical use have now control of the environmental lobby in Ireland. The enviro lobby opposed the EU's reduction on Agri chems in parliament. How they sold it to the enviromental in Ireland was through some's hatred of grass farming and cows. I saw their influence first when Johnstown Castle had unbiased graphs shown on boards that tillage farming in Ireland was a carbon emitter and the pasture based dairy farmers as a sink measured by the eddy covariance monitors on farms. None of this made the farming papers from the influence group or was even discussed and shown at the loaded citizens assemblies on climate. We were told follow the science. But the science was never shown to anyone outside of those attending the open day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,060 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    The post is tied in with slurry and the discussion. It's also tied in with disease talk.

    A farmer returning to cows after being depopulated with Lumpy Disease. The community that helped them are having a meal in the shed to celebrate the cows return.

    https://x.com/agrikol/status/2025505688672223572?s=20



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Re "follow the science": no science exists outside of the politics of the day.

    The majority of publicly funded research comes from Govt. If you apply to any of their funding schemes, you have to show how the work aligns with national and EU policies. That defines your research question or your science, which naturally puts limits around your results.

    That's the starting point for science and "independent research". It's independent in that the Govt don't do it directly themselves, and the scientists who get the funding are free to do whatever they want - within the above limits.

    It's not corrupt. But it's more political than the claims around independent research suggest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭One2Many7ups


    Science has become the new religion of the west. True science is buried and discredited while 'science' that supports the government narrative is propagandised and shoved to the masses. 'Trust the Science', but only our science. Climate science is utter quackery and all funding is from those invested in its existence. The climate has always been changing, long before fossil fuels but we are not allowed to discuss the solar cycle or the effect of an ever-increasing number of weather-stations being located in concreted heat traps. The 'Science' won't allow it.

    Its the same as when we questioned whether lockdowns were actually effective against covid, the 'science' roared back 'YOU WANT TO KILL GRANNY!' No debate is allowed. The 'Science' is settled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,060 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Mostly agree. Though I think the covid actions were mostly correct at the time. It was a rearguard action to buy time for vaccination. Though I think we had it in the December and lots of others too at the time and those deaths and serious cases were being called a bad flu.

    Cows are being seen as a scapegoat and money maker for the chemical companies to profit off. Johnstown Castle have the data for their herd on the pastures for sequestering carbon. There's no need for bovaer or any experimental chemicals to break a natural reaction. They have the data for other dairy herds from the in field eddy covariance devices too. What was the point of the government buying the machines if they considered the results not suitable to publish in public.

    There's all sorts of mental gymnastics being played to sort a problem that isn't there. Denmark want to pay farmer's to cease farming. Netherlands are trying to divide piss away from dung a carbon substance in cow housing. The dung will hold the nitrates of the urine. But companies reckon the farmer is stupid and there's money to be made. Same as the chems added to urea to supposedly protect the atmosphere but phuck up the soil, cow, human health. As well as the aquatic environment. The enviros here clap like human seals for that one. But sure they're so tied to the chem lobby industry/group that they don't know when to stop.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Have all the cows here on straw and it's not easy when you add in all the time baling, hauling, storage, bedding and spreading the straw and then spreading the dung.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭One2Many7ups


    My issue with the Covid era was the media blackout and refusal to allow any sort of debate on any of the measures, masks, social distancing, lockdowns, vaccines, etc. It was unbearable to watch.

    As you mention the attack on livestock farming is nothing to do with methane or even nitrates. There is simply no other means of food production that grows such nutrient-dense protein-rich foods from so little chemical inputs. Meat and milk contain nothing like the levels of glyphosate and other chemicals than cereals and even fruit/veg. Having a population reliant on cereals, fruit and veg is great for the chemical companies and also the pharma companies. Many agro-chemical and pharma companies have merged in recent times. Glyphosate is linked with Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma - https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6706269/

    Bayer make Roundup, they also make several drugs to treat Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭limo_100


    sure what argument could you make at that time to counteract any of the measures as you or any one of didn't know any different. The bigger question I have about everyone that complained why was is so hard to have to stay at home with your family why was that such a inconvenience and its only a bloody mask no big deal I used to wear air breathers with battery packs for years a mask was a doddle. I also know a lot of people that died from it so even in work I know one of the anti vax lads said at work sure he would have anyway he was old at 65 crazy people I believe he got a few raps and he didnt repeat his retic

    also how come the only people still going on about all this is the anti lads everyone else has moved on get over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭One2Many7ups


    Massive overreaction there for just mentioning covid. Relax.

    It wasn't 'staying at home with your family' was an issue, many were isolated. Elderly died alone not allowed to see their children, grandchildren or friends. Suicides were up. Many businesses closed.

    It wasn't that I didn't want to wear a mask. Kids were made wear them in schools - they are only starting out in life and not seeing each others faces was wrong.

    I took the vaccine but I didn't agree with the vaccine passports to work/go for coffee.

    You may believe covid was the most lethal thing to ever reach these shores, but the stats do not back that up. Here are the number of deaths in Ireland from 2018-2024. I just jotted them down from CSO. Anyone can do the same, takes 1 minute. Notice anything strange…

    20260224_165520.jpg

    Moving on now. Just had to correct you on some of your rubbish assumptions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,095 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The English decided to.ket it rip.....well for a few months anyway, the Yanknmuch tge same, look at there excess deaths

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Hmmm - in fairness it wasn't the green lobby who succeeded in burying the SUD(Sustaineable Use Directive) in the last EU parliment which was aimed at reducing pesticide use. That was done via a toxic mix of the likes of Bayer, Copa Cogeca and their pals in FG's EPP group in Brussels. Now with escalating human health and environmental issues with increasing pesticide and forever chemical exposure in food,water etc. including shutdowns in sale of Agri Produce in certain regions of France, Belgium etc. that is looking like an extremly reckless act!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,060 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    I've only seen one environmental group partake in chemical testing in Ireland in foods and that was only because it was a Europe wide initiative and they were asked to so. All else are championing more ag chemicals being sold in Ireland because they want less cows and more spraying/tillage. Elaine McGoff was delighted when a dairy farmer codded her by posting on X he was spraying off pasture with glyphosate to grow cereals. I think she even posted he was saving the planet.

    The grain growers group threatened to release results of waste treatment plants to waterways. The same McGoff replied to their threat that are we not on the same team.

    The group never released any data after. This suggests collusion in both ways.

    The enviro groups are very very weak in Ireland when it comes to agri chemical. Weak on all chemical really. Fixated and blinded with nitrate. In one of the best country's in the EU when it comes to nitrate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭✭Birdnuts


    I think your simplfying things a bit too much - fact is most Dairy grassland in particular is intensively managed with a fair amount of chemical spray usage in terms of reseeding burn off, MCPA on rushes etc. dock control(excessive docks and nettles in pasture is itself an indicator of too much nitrate in the soil). As for saying Nitrates are not an issue in this country - well thats clearly not true based on comprehenzive mapping off soil health across the EU in the link below

    https://eu.boell.org/en/2021/09/07/fertilizers-too-much-good-thing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,060 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    That's a hit piece against livestock farmers with no mention of carbon levels that bind that nitrate from leaching anywhere. Water test is the only test. I mentioned before Johnstown Castle have the data from dairy farms of sequestering carbon. This is building soil on top of what is already there. That's from grassland farming. You won't do that if your soil is not healthy. If you have a nettle or a dock or even a thistle it's because you've chosen to let it grow. You've chosen to not use the sprayer or chemical. Not to talk of the extra wildlife those plants give in pasture. Those are positives if not let get excessive. There's no other farming will allow those plants be there. If it's a thing I thought an environmentalist would be in favour of is the dock,nettle, thistle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,060 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    I was on a farm walk on an organic dairy farm in Waterford. And they had docks growing as cow forage on the side of a hill. The cows were eating the docks as well as the ryegrass, chicory, plantain and whatever was there.

    I killed out docks on a bit of ground using a knapsack sprayer. I used the clear water from making ormus from seawater. That clear water would have been sodium chloride. I mixed that neat with fulvic acid and sprayed on. The cows would eat the docks after then that year and the following year, spring the docks just never grew back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭✭Birdnuts


    I'm more or less on the some page - in organics so use a vinegar mix to do any spot spraying thats needed. I also have a few fields were docks and nettles cluster around areas where stock are fed outdoors over the winter. I leave most of them as its only a small area affected and appreciate that they support various species of butterflies and beetles as larval food.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭148multi


    Why do you think the dept are giving grants for separators for farmers to use green bedding



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭148multi


    Back in the 80s teagasc research showed that cattle slurry mixed 50/50 with water got the best results and most efficient use of slurry , you'd nearly be jailed for giving that advice today



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