Tesla Talk 2

mfceiling · 22-02-2026 09:03PM

Saw a few cybertrucks in New York last week. They are huge up close, and I'm going to divide opinion here, but I thought they were pretty cool. There's nothing remotely close to it on sale from any manufacturer.

Also I couldn't believe the amount of Fisker Oceans on the streets. Literally saw 20 or 30 of them in the few days we were there.

listermint · 22-02-2026 09:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124257674#Comment_124257674

I think the ultimate agreed standard will require multi sense for fail safes and redundancy.

This space as everyone knows and any rubber stamping is billion upon billion dollar industry. EU tends to be defacto gold rubber stamp location. We'll see which way it goes.

Gumbo · 22-02-2026 09:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124257703#Comment_124257703

They done a recent sale to get rid of some. $60k for the AWD versions or something. No idea if they sold many or not.

slave1 · 22-02-2026 09:58PM

I think that's the price of the new Standard version

Gumbo · 22-02-2026 10:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124257832#Comment_124257832

Yes. I thought I seen a post saying it will be a short lived limited offer.

https://www.theverge.com/transportation/881873/tesla-cybertruck-awd-price-cut

23-02-2026 10:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124256950#Comment_124256950

Heavy rain and dark roads is all it takes for the Tesla to start shutting down camera based driver assist. Even very dark roads, without any bad weather makes it think the cameras are blocked.

What worries me is all it gives you is a mobile phone style pop up notification on the screen which can be easily missed.

But the key thing to remember is that everything it does is a driver assist. Its designed to assist, not replace. Just because I have lane departure assist doesn't mean i can change lanes without looking. The fact that functions shut down in poor visibility shouldn't make my drive any more dangerous if I am paying attention.

FSD is differnet, because it is supposed to replace driver functions, not just assist. The argument has been put to me on here that FSD software is much better and doesn't shut down in poor visibility. I don't know how I feel about that to be honest. I would probably prefer it shuts down and forces me to take control than for it to keep going and trying its best despite very poor visibility.

prosaic · 23-02-2026 03:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124258535#Comment_124258535

Back in June 2025, during deployment in Austin, they were very cautious about driving conditions and stopped service during rain or darkness. By August, they were fairly confident and relaxed these conditions and it could handle fairly rainy condions, maybe not heavy rain. As of February this year, it has been shown to handle as much rain as a normal human driver can handle, handle very dark conditions, flooding, snow. There was a day in Jan this year with forecast bad storm in Austin where they shut down the service in advance of the rain.

The system is smart enough to assess risk as to when it can/can't handle the situation - road conditions, camera conditions, etc. It chooses the safest option available in stopping/pulling over and will continue to assess conditions in case the situation improves. Warning notices keep the driver/passenger informed.

It doesn't take a reckless approach to risk. If it can't handle it, it does whatever safe operation removes risk best. It doesn't "keep going and trying its best" which is more the definition of reckless.

Gumbo · 23-02-2026 03:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124258535#Comment_124258535

Worth noting, from my limited research, is that the basic AP you have and what causes the cameras to turn off here is no reflection of what’s going on in the FSD equipped cars. So not a valid comparison.

slave1 · 23-02-2026 05:53PM

my M3H cuts off both ACC and Auto steer somewhere between Enfield and Kinnegad on the old Dublin road when in darkness, has happened a good few times

Gumbo · 23-02-2026 06:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124259771#Comment_124259771

All the basic AP cars do that. If you travel back roads with no lighting and close to hedges etc, it can happen too. The side camera loses vision or something.

evftw · 23-02-2026 06:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124259771#Comment_124259771

And that is the reason why Tesla should also discontinue the old AP in Europe and replace the stack with the V.14.

TitianGerm · 23-02-2026 07:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124259383#Comment_124259383

How many robotaxis are on the streets of Austin on average?

I didn't realise they got snow there, thought it was hot all year round.

TitianGerm · 23-02-2026 07:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124259799#Comment_124259799

Are they not the same cameras in all the new Tesla's? So if Slaves is cutting out in a dark road then how can the same camera in an FSD car work if it can't see?

unkel · 23-02-2026 08:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124260098#Comment_124260098

Hardware is the same, but the AP software is ancient. From the very early days of driving assist systems.

prosaic · 23-02-2026 09:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124260087#Comment_124260087

I believe there are ~400 MY robotaxis currently (Austin ~90, Bay Area ~300), small number of unsupervised and a few Cybercabs. Musk stated full fleet at ~500 in late Jan. Cybercab production is at the begining of production so ramp will be slow until manufacture process bugs are ironed out. 7 new cities coming in the next few months.

Snow: several videos showing FSD handling considerable amount of snow. Not robotaxis but the same software more or less.

JOL1 · 23-02-2026 09:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124259800#Comment_124259800

Not a fair comparison, one (TACC/Autosteer) functionality is provided in Europe to all free whereas FSD v.14 is altogether different and comes at premium price. Apart from fact that fsd is not (yet) approved in Europe your suggestion is like paying for a burger but wanting a fillet steak. If FSD was approved I am not sure all would be prepared to pay a premium for its additional functionality

Gumbo · 23-02-2026 09:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124260098#Comment_124260098

Software is night and day (pun intended) between them.

evftw · 23-02-2026 10:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124260336#Comment_124260336

The problem with the free AP/Autosteer is that, as seen in this thread, the drivers assume that the FSDS="AP with some extra functionality" and seen how the AP repeatedly makes stupid mistakes that means they will never even consider subscribing because rain.

prosaic · 23-02-2026 10:58PM

Finland fsd demo

https://x.com/mikoske/status/2019093204189037030/mediaViewer?currentTweet=2019093204189037030&currentTweetUser=mikoske

JOL1 · 23-02-2026 11:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124260651#Comment_124260651

A lot of assumptions there and yes you are right that not all will undertand or appreciate the differences…although I feel sure all will understand difference in price!.

In US last year Tesla made FSD available to customers on a free trial for a limited period (I think 30 days) presumably in the belef that by users actually experiencing it for themsleves it would stimulate demand and resolve uncertainties. If/when FSD comes to Europe a similar approach may support greater FSD sales as at the moment in Europe all you have are dissatisfied customers who feel cheated by having subscribed and paid for FSD (that hasn't been delivered). Having viewed some of the latest Youtube reviews of the latest FSD in US you cant help but be impressed (in snow/bad weather too) and the differences between the auto sterr and FSD is like night and day

ELM327 · 24-02-2026 10:00AM

I think this is the issue. I struggled to comprehend it myself initially why the product would be so disparate with the same hardware but it is for a number of reasons not least of which are the regulations here.

Watch a US based EAP/FSD car on YT after driving even an FSD car here and you see the difference

Mr Q · 24-02-2026 04:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124260297#Comment_124260297

Since when do Tesla have a license to run them in the Bay Area?

unkel · 24-02-2026 04:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124262286#Comment_124262286

They do, but they still have a Tesla employee in the car. Only in Austin are there a few completely autonomous Tesla robotaxis, with no Tesla employee in the car, no following cars and no remote control possibilities afaik. So technically pure L4 autonomous, where Waymo are not pure L4 as they can be controlled remotely

Things change very quickly though, hard to keep up. The first completely L4 robotaxi only happened a few weeks ago

MJohnston · 24-02-2026 04:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124257381#Comment_124257381

this is a while ago now but I just wanted to follow up to say — I’m genuinely not Tesla-bashing when I’m talking about various types of driving automation features. If there was a well-used general thread on that tech I’d probably chat in there, but it seems to be happening in this thread for now.
So long story short - I very much agree this is an industry wide set of problems to solve, nothing unique to Tesla.

listermint · 24-02-2026 04:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124262326#Comment_124262326

Their license excludes no companion driver. So they are not licensed to operate fully selve driving in San Francisco. (They don't is more accurate answer)

unkel · 24-02-2026 04:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124262339#Comment_124262339

He asked if Teslas have a license to run robotaxis in the Bay Area. They do, but not for cars without an operator in them. This was not something that the poster claimed. My previous answer clarified this. Not that it matters much, things change very fast, Teslas were not able to safely drive themselves with no operator just a few weeks ago. Now they can. I have no doubt Tesla will apply very soon for a license to operate without an operator in the Bay Area, if they have not done so already

listermint · 24-02-2026 04:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124262364#Comment_124262364

They still cant drive themselves safely though. Hence the days of discussion.

You're still being loose with the term safe.

And we continue on the same theme.

Mr Q · 24-02-2026 05:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124262326#Comment_124262326

Waymo can't be controlled remotely in the same way Tesla can. But they can be helped make decisions I think.

Are you sure a single Tesla is out there in Austin without a chase car? Most of the images seem to say different.

jlang · 24-02-2026 06:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124260651#Comment_124260651

I've said exactly this several times - that the cruise control implementation on the car is adequately fine but arguably worse than other new cars, and that because of the amount of stupid mistakes it makes I wouldn't ever consider trusting or paying for any upgrade unless they show they can get the basic level to work. I was expecting that to happen incrementally given that they update the car's software so often. Since then it turns out that not only do Tesla not see improving the cruise control offering as a task to be done, they're actually removing it from the feature list of new models to push FSD subscriptions where that can be rented.

But now I think that even if a cruise control based off the FSD code did work better, I'm hardly going to blow the whole €1k a year or so in fuel savings by a signing on to a €100/month subscription for a service I would almost never want to use. I might consider paying the level they want for premium connectivity if it also got me a regular cruise control with less stupids (AP rather than EAP i.e. still only lane centring and traffic- and limit- aware speed control but one that actually knew how to ignore off ramps and wouldn't hallucinate the speed limits (80kph in the Phoenix Park!) and better if it didn't need to be reset when manually steering to override/overtake). Of course, that would risk being good enough that few would upgrade further - and who'd blame them.

evftw · 24-02-2026 07:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124262539#Comment_124262539

At the moment the basic AP is still available here and it's good as otherwise your new Model Y would miss a key feature from a 181 Nissan LEAF as well as a 151 Model S. But it's still a double edged sword as far as Tesla are concerned. Wish they updated the stack.

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