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Women's rights under attack

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,183 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Gas how you are telling others and me to

    "Like I said before: run along and try less tit for tat nonsense."

    Not only are your posts rude and dismissive you are obviously unable to discuss anything without attacking posters and being uncivil .

    "Why is the female voice ignored, disregarded and their concerns tutted or waved away. "

    This is laughable from you as you do exactly that .

    Talk to yourself in future .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,183 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yeah that was yet another dig at me by that poster . Every post by them .

    The OP quite clearly states that the main objective was to discuss trans gender issues because they have been told not to keep bringing it up on other threads , hence this thread but that we could discuss other issues" if we like " .

    Thanks for that . So the inference is from that that transgenderism is the main attack on women''s rights today . Or at least according to the OP .

    Not rape, not domestic violence , not gender pay gap, not lack of affordable childcare, or any other problems most women in Ireland face today .

    No we must discuss the most pressing issue today according to the OP and one or two eager supporters .

    Ah but sure, it's clicks isn't it ?

    It means however if someone wants to discuss real non imported threats to women's rights it will have to be under a different title , leaving transgenderism here .

    Unless a mod corrects the present tile as requested ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,016 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Call me extreme, but a MALE prisoner who has a record of extreme violence against women, including a conviction for tearing a social worker's eyelids partly off, shouldn't IMO need to actually proceed to carrying out their threats against a female prison officer for there to be a problem with having that MALE prisoner in a female prison.

    But hey. Clearly you think it's fine and the prison officer was just a whinger who should suck it up.

    The girl dug her nails into the social care worker’s eyes, tearing her eyelids.

    The social worker - who was accompanied in the car by a colleague - stopped the car and the teenager repeated: “I am going to kill you”.

    The teenager tore clumps of hair from the head of the social care worker and wrapped her legs around the victim’s head and chest, refusing to let go and bit the care worker on the hand, continuing to pull at her hair and scrape her face.

    And an example of said gaslighting is the Irish Examiner article I quoted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,707 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Sad but all too believable article today worth reading from a 15 year old girl describing the misogyny she sees regularly on social media.

    So glad no social media like that was around when we were growing up, can't even imagine.

    I remember young lads being very crass when I was that age but it never felt quite as pointed at this.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/feb/23/15-year-old-girl-misogyny-social-media-online-abuse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    But hey. Clearly you think it's fine and the prison officer was just a whinger who should suck it up.

    For someone who demands reasoned polite debate, you don't half make up some daft nonsense and try and pawn it on off on others having said it.

    It really is low grade posting.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,895 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Jaysus that's awful, it makes me glad to be old and to have both missed the social media era myself and seen my son grow up before it got so bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,235 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Yeah Helen Joyce that basically wants to eradicate trans people. Of course people are going to highlight the trans bashing

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,235 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    No. Plenty of trans people are in gay relationships. You cant eradicate them out of existence.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,895 ✭✭✭aero2k


    What are you saying no to? And who said anything about eradicating anyone?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,707 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I know right? She puts the 'female' thing really well. I've been trying to point that out to folks and they look at me as if I have two heads. It's really subtle and you'd almost not notice if if you weren't looking out for it.

    From the article: 'Consider the use of the word “female” in these posts. It is not a neutral term here, it is a term of abuse. It’s used by teenage boys to degrade us and equate us to animals. Boys are never described as “males”, but girls are always “females” – the equivalent of sows or calves, creatures that are less than human.'

    There's a great subreddit called 'Men and females' pointing out news articles and places where men are referred to as men but then women are referred to as 'females'. It's a really odd thing that IMO has seeped in from manosphere people like Andrew Tate etc who purposefully call women and girls 'females' to dehumanise them.

    Again, you almost wouldn't notice it (and people pointing it out like me might sound a bit mad for doing so), but once you do, it's one of those 'cannot unsee' type things.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭Airyfairy12


    Everyones rights are under attack and we won't acknowledge that because we're all too busy fighting each other over petty differences. Trans people have always existed, theyre just being given a bit of a voice in the last decade for the first time ever. It will take some time for them to find a place within society. While we're concerned about trans people house prices are rising, supports for SEN kids in schools are being cut, wages are decreasing, we're fighting over scraps while were about to have the worlds first trillionaire who also happens to be a nonce, a misogynist and hates poor people. Trans people arent the problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,183 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    And that particular trillionaire is hell bent on attacking any rights women have in the US .

    ( Are we talking about the same person though ? 🤔)



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 8,116 Mod ✭✭✭✭circadian


    They're all the **** same if the Epstein files are anything to go by.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,183 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Allegedly those records that may be incriminating for Trump have been removed , surprise surprise .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    As a man on one hand I sympathise with you because you're right but on the other hand you're not nearly as discriminated against as men are. Men's suicide rates are far higher then women, we don't get DEI quotas if we're white and straight. It's just a constant bombardment my the MSM about us. And these campaigns would be predominantly led by women against men.

    Sorry rant over. Yes you're right, men shouldn't be allowed into your spaces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,707 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Divide and conquer, a tale as old as history itself.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 8,116 Mod ✭✭✭✭circadian


    I'm not remotely surprised but sweet suffering Jesus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    No better way to divide women then put biological males against them. And you can gaslight them so good by saying it wasn't long since their rights had to be fought for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,707 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Plenty of better ways to divide women than an issue so marginal it doesn't even impact 1% of people.

    I've seen women far, far more divided over the abortion issue for example.

    Either way, my comment was in relation to Airyfary's larger scale view on the current world situation, particularly around the elite classes distracting us with nonsense things to bicker over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    It's only 1% now but growing. And 1% of something wrong is 1% too much.

    Just on your numbers do you mean 1% of men are trans or do you mean 1% of women are affected by them in women's spaces?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭89897


    whats that saying…… "When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression"

    ,"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,016 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    I don’t really want to get into that here, as this is a thread clearly labelled as being about women’s rights, and moreover in the Ladies’ Lounge so I don’t think it’s fair on anyone else to distract from that.

    You can start a thread on that subject either in CA/IMHO or in the Gentlemen’s club (though TBF I think there are a number of similar threads in there already. To the extent that they have stickied a thread about the subject, so I don’t think you can fairly argue that it isn’t already talked about.)

    Concerning the difference in suicide rates, you also need to remember that women have a far higher rate of attempted suicide and that a large part (although not all) of the difference in completed suicides by men can be explained by men’s propensity for violent acts: someone can come back from most overdoses especially in a country with proper emergency and healthcare systems, but it’s much harder to save somebody who has shot themselves in the head. And I’m not saying that to dismiss it: I know a family personally where the 14 year old son killed himself with his father’s shotgun (they had a farm). It took minutes for the irreparable to happen.

    So unless you’re going to dismiss all attempted overdoses (including those by men, naturally) as mere attention-seeking, it’s not nearly as simplistic a distinction as you’re trying to make out.

    But as I say, this is not the place for that discussion, and you have more appropriate places that already exist on this site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Yeah I didn't know there was a ladies lounge. I seen this on the home page. Apologies and I won't be talking about men here again.

    Yes you're on the money with your post. The push back regarding men who identify as trans getting into your spaces needs to be ramped up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,016 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Nor did I really until recently TBF. There's not a lot of traffic here. Although this thread seems to have got things moving a bit! Which is good for the forum generally I'd say.

    Post edited by volchitsa on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Given it was my comment that start it, I'll respond to the clothes part.

    The female/male clothing point is very interesting in the way it is being misinterpreted. All clothes belong to all people, doesn’t matter who wears them. Such a strange point to get yourself wrapped up in, excuse the pun.

    The part in both is objective false. Men's clothes exists, women's clothes exist, unisex clothes, children's clothes etc, etc.
    Saying all clothes are for all is a strange claim.

    Obvious you don't mean belong in the sense of "ownership" - but in that case that belong to their owner and not all people, so not true there either. Again, not the "belong" in question, but best to avoid any making an equivocation fallacy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭Airyfairy12


    Men arent dying by suicide because theyre discriminated against, its more likely due to lower emotional resilience, men are more likely to turn to alcohol, drugs, promiscuous sex, the gym etc to distract from their emotions and avoid dealing with them or to avoid working on their interpersonal skills. Women are more likely to attempt suicide but choose less violent ways of doing so like taking an over dose for example, theyve a higher chance of being rescued, men often choose hanging, guns or drowning. Men are also less likely to engage in meaningful relationships with friends, they'll go to the pub and watch a match but allot of men wont go for coffee for with their friends or talk about anything beyond surface level, like sport, movies, tv shows etc. Women are more likely to talk openly about their thoughts and feelings, men see this as a feminine trait, not a human trait so they reject it. They would rather suffer in silence than potentially be seen as feminine in any aspect, even if it means saving the lives of themselves, their sons and friends. Theres as much help and support for men as there is for women, more actually because theres been so much awareness raised over mens mental health but if youre not taking it or making changes in your life and your relationships, its all a waste of time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    The push back regarding men who identify as trans getting into your spaces needs to be ramped up.

    The issue that the push back can't seem to stick to one story. First it's about biology, then safety, then appearance. One point contradicting the next. If that ramps up as you say, from the anonymous corners of the internet, to public discourse. Those contradictions get magnified and peopel will look foolish.

    The fact is, nobody speaks for everyone, or all of one group. Some people will hold personal views that are bias, contradictory, illogical. That's their right I guess. But that should expect those view to be the basis for changes to social rules (such as whether bathrooms are defined by sex or gender).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,183 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Definite pro Maga / US Right Wing push on this subject of transgender .

    They would love us all to be as full of hate and distracted here as they are , so that agenda could be seen to be relevant to us ( when it's not so much ) and the narrative that you must be anti woman if you don't fight against this .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,717 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Indeed. Meanwhile, from the exact same school of thought:

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    Edit: Including link as well as screenshot https://share.google/jnxmxPAwQrSfsIXvt



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The MAGA assault has very little to do with transgender people.

    They are using it as rage bait gateway to go after what they really want, gays and lesbian rights and of course Women's rights, as well as every other minority there bigotry doesn't like.

    They have already stripped 5 decades of Health Rights for Women.

    Obergefell v. Hodges will be the next big one to go.

    They won't be happy until they bring back Jim Crow.

    But the easily manipulated will do the majority of the heavy lifting for them.



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