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Liverpool FC Premier League Champions 25/26 - Talk /Gossip/Rumours

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,197 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    He needs to fooking play, he’ll leave if we’re not careful



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,534 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Look at Konate celebrating Mac Allister goal before it was ruled out 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,849 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    All that's true.

    It's also true we are struggling to form coherent attacks.

    I think we can all celebrate a goal and win yet still analyse our shortcomings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,847 ✭✭✭KaiserGunner


    Dont necessarily like the rule. But you're not allowed to score with the hand, arm or elbow regardless. So by the letter of the law it cant be given. But what can Mccallister do there? Nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,132 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    You dodged the question like a politician,the question, have you attended many underage games,,the amount of hatchet tackles on the the stronger players,, some of these lads are built stronger than most pl players,some martial arts stars, your answer to my first reply is an an acknowledgement you are clueless and your knowledge comes through a television…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    Good result, but, performance leaves a lot to be desired. The most important thing was to get the win, plus we kept going even after the disallowed goal. Still along way off where we should be and don't seem to be making any real progress or improvements in our play. Lots of work to be done with the squad before next season, hard to see Slot go past this season, unless we see an upturn in perfomances before the season ends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    If there is lots of work to be done with this squad before next season, why is Slot getting thrown under the bus because of it?

    I'm certain Slot will here next season. There hasn't been the slightest hint from the club he won't be.

    I'm also pretty confident we'll finish in the top 4.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,883 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    There is absolutely a lot to do though regardless of the manager

    I wouldn't be confident right now that any of Chiesa, Endō, Gomez, Konaté, Robertson, Tsimikas, Elliott, Salah, Woodman, Ramsay or Bajçetic would still be at the club at the start of next season and I'd also say the likes of Gakpo, Mac Allister, Alisson and Jones would be players you could see some clubs test us with a bid for

    Jacquet is the only signing we know about. Isak, Bradley and Leoni will be back

    Still leaves a lot to do I think if most or all of that first group of players leave



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,346 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    I agree. But given that fact, I don't think changing the manager when he's spent this season contending with these issues is fair or likely to happen.

    It's just been a terrible season all round. The manager has not been blameless but I don't think he's been the main issue. Everything that could go wrong appears to have gone wrong.

    The win today might be the change of fortune we needed. These types of wins can help build momentum for the rest of the season.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,904 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    The Salah believers are the most delusional people, just stunning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    Do you not think there is a lot of work to be done on the squad? Also do you think Slot has zero input into the squad make-up or team selections, he doesn't use some of the players available to him, yet at the same time has complained about lack of depth. Slot at the moment is doing the bare minimum to keep his job, most of our performances during the season have been poor, Slot is throwing himself under the bus!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,849 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    It is very difficult to say the sqaud imbalances and injuries absolve Slot.

    We don't have a style of play anymore.

    He'll be there next season if we get CL but its hard not to have reservations about whether he is the right man to be at the helm for another major squad overhaul given how we currently setup.

    It'd be different if the style was clear and we were just missing a few players



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    I was very annoyed with so many (including many Liverpool fans) saying Mac’s first ‘goal’ was a pure fluke. If you block a clearance from under the opposition bar, where else is the ball going to go?? There’s at least a 50% chance such a block ends up in the back of the net. In the end it was unlucky it hit his arm instead of his back. But that persistance paid off a few minutes later thankfully.

    I dont think either Rio or Chiesa have done enough in their cameos before today to oust Cody or Mo. But today Rio did well. Would love to see him get a start next time

    Not sure if there was an award on the telly, but for me Konate a clear man of the match



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,883 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Mac Allister, Anderson, Konaté, Kerkez and Ortega were the players I thought did well and even then I might not have picked Mac if not for the goal

    Everybody else from both sides were average at best with Gravenberch particularly disappointing, front 3 all muck from the start and Alisson's distribution really poor

    West Ham is a nice fixture next. But CL draw comes first and I want to be on the other side of the draw to City, Barcelona and Bayern meaning we'd have Arsenal and Chelsea on our side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,174 ✭✭✭54and56


    There is no "letter" of the law, there's only the law.

    If we want goals which inadvertently come off a players hand to stand then the law needs to be changed and we'll be back to a situation where referees and VAR officials have to somehow read the tea leaves to figure out if the player intended to handle the ball or not, something which can never ever be definitively established unless a player voluntarily states he intended to handle the ball.

    As the law stands, if a player handles the ball in any manner whatsoever and that results in the ball crossing the goal line then it's dissallowed.

    I'm in favour of the current law as it removes all subjectivity and is 100% objective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭jones


    I do think this season has been a perfect storm of issues: Jota, Salah's form dropping off a cliff, injuries, loss of vibrancy of Diaz, new signings settling in and the entire league changing style almost overnight all had a huge impact.

    However Slot is also another factor in the underperformance this season - his man management, namely his refusal to use anyone outside of the starting 11/12 players, giving out about players minutes and yet refusing to use the squad to help this. Dropping Salah (rightfully IMO) then apparently backing down made him look weak and re-enforced his sticking with first teamers.

    I'm not saying our squad is perfect but I do not think Slot is getting the best of the group of players he has right now and hasn't really all season. This is a fundamental issue and not a blip. It's seems clear as day Slot doesn't trust anyone outside the 12 odd players he plays week in week out if we can see that you can be sure the players themselves can too.

    Such an odd season but I don't think it's a given Slot is the manager next season. As Girly gal said above I think he's doing the bare minimum right now let's see how the league and champions league go over the next couple of months before making a decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    I'm not going to go into my experience on here, but senior players are exponentially more of a threat than underage. Sure there is poor tackling and reckless challenges in the youth system, but the senior players are intentional and have years of strength and experience to go with it. Many of them go in hard, Sergio Ramos, Roy Keane style. When you put an underdeveloped body, up against a brick sh*thouse with a plan to cause damage, careers can be ended. I have heard senior players categorically say that they would go in hard and early on a youth player if they played against them. If you have any experience as you say you do, you would know this is true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,132 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Jesus,I didn't didn't expect a response,, where is a studs up leg breaking tackle more likely,pl or lower,play him if he's at the the level which it seems he is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,367 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Jones should have started at RB, crazy starting him in MF, reeks of stubbornness that Slot didn't do that, hand was forced eventually, and he was great at RB, just leave him there ffs .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    Yes, I think there is lots of work to be done with the squad. Perhaps, I phrased it poorly. My point was given the obvious issues with the squad, it's difficult to make a conclusive judgement on Slot. We must not forget, many have, how well he did last season when we won the league. That's part of the assessment of his performance also.

    For me, the manager creates a system that gives the players in the team a platform to play. The style develops from the type of players you have and the relationships they develop on the pitch. Certainly in an attacking sense.

    What Slot proved last season is that if he has a fully functioning, balanced team, then he can win the biggest prizes. So I'd be inclined to give him the opportunity to do that again. Which means recruiting new players in the problem positions, which we all are aware of.

    But that's just me, other opinions are valid also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    The more he plays as a youth, the more likely he will have a significant injury. The higher minutes he puts in early in his career, the shorter his career will be, simple as.

    I am not sure what the return is from him starting more games right now, is him playing 60 minutes every week going to guarantee 5th place?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,132 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Sure he is going to be playing as much as possible whether it's against his friends or a pl match,, probably less of pl , above is nonsense,ask milner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,137 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    I’d be alright with giving Rio a star every now and again, as long as he’s carefully managed -- but the fact that literally everyone picks Milner as their example shows just how much of an outlier Milner is.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    Are there any other 17 year olds playing in the Premier League regularly?

    I think there are enough cautionary tales about overplaying teenagers that clubs nowadays are much more careful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,132 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Okay, but some players peak early,play the form players regardless of age, just because you are good at twenty doesn't mean you will be good at twenty five regardless of injury etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,617 ✭✭✭✭Cartman78


    Jesus...even the MOTD brief highlights were a turgid watch...our first "attacking" action was on 54 mins.

    Very strange season....so many players out of form and below par



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,539 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Rio should be playing more but I do agree you have to be careful. The biggest example is raheem sterling, finished at the top level at 26/27



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,137 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Owen and Fowler as well, all overplayed young, all injury ravaged later on as a result, basically done as top level players by their mid 20’s. Trent looks to be going a similar way, is becoming increasingly injury prone.

    Teenagers bodies have not fully physically developed yet. Putting the strain of top tier high pressure football on them is a big gamble in both the short and long term. Pedri and Gavi at Barca already look like they’ll never become what they could have because of being overplayed at 17. Ansu Fati the same, from the class before. There’s just too many examples of this not to take it seriously.

    I’m ok with Rio playing more too, but only within reason.

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