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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,141 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The idea Trump Republicans are interested in 'fairness' is contemptible. Daily discredited by their grifting and open corruption.

    Just today the corrupt Trump family trying to profit from the political act of naming an airport after him.

    There was zero fairness in tariffs.

    Zero fairness in Trump's messing with the stock market no doubt so his cronies benefit from insider trading.

    Open bribes in the form of a jet ffs.

    You should tell Trump he doesnt need it at his age of life. You would be laughed out of the room or you would get a swivel eyed rant.

    He just had a go at supreme court justices with personal insults cos regardless of the law he thinks thèy should bend the knee to him. Four of the justices clearly have zero interest in fairness. One of them Republican Clarence Thomas is openly corrupt.

    Fairness?

    Where is the fairness for the victims of Epstein?

    They dont give a damn about fairness and how they have duped you into thinking they do is anybody's guess.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,210 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Imagine going on your dream holiday and you get locked up for weeks

    "Karen Newton was in America on the trip of a lifetime when she was shackled, transported and held for weeks on end. With tourism to the US under increasing strain, she says, ‘If it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Are republicans such sheep they’ll vote for whoever Trump tells them to



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭dubal


    So hes increased the global tariffs to 15%, how could any country negotiate with that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I don't find it contradictory (obviously complicated)

    The initial tariffs could have depressed the economy from where it might otherwise have become and the refund might undo that depression effect(even if it might equally not be immediately transparent)

    A very simplistic view no doubt but a refund might have an effect that was beneficial to the Repugs' craving for power even as it would land a blow to the Head Thug's aura of invincibility ..

    I think He craves vindication more than the minutiae of what actually happens.They are so lucky he seems to be drowning in his own shite and that time is not on his side



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Don't get me wrong - I'm sure there are many Republican representatives who think Trump is a dangerous clown and resent being associated with him, but they'll still do his bidding if he puts enough pressure on. Again, the midterms are useful to Trump in that he can apply considerable pressure to Republicans looking to get reelected. Completely buried among the daily outrages of Trumpland that none other than JD Vance is finance chairman of the RNC, so plenty of scope to mess around with funding of campaigns if there's a sense of disloyalty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭midlander12


    They're both retiring I think. Bacon's seat is in serious danger of falling to the Dems anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,599 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Possibly, but if it did depress the economy then it is now worse off than when he introduced them, and they are hoping with those particular tariffs now gone, that it will come back to where they started, while at the same time Trump is adding a different set of tariffs attempting to make up for the amount of those now gone, that they have all the added expense and hassle of repaying.

    It comes across as a complete clusterfcuk that is no validation of supposedly the greatest business man of all time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I think this round of 15% is legal so no refunds would apply.

    I also think this "all across the board" regime prevents him using tariffs to pressure any other countries since they are forcibly united against the States who can't pick them off individually.

    He can't attack Canada and Mexico with tariffs ,I think …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭Economics101


    So the new Global tariff was 10% yesterday and to-day it's 15%. What will it be tomorrow? How can business thrive in such a situation? About time those Republican business donors told him a thing or two.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    15% is the maximum amount he can impose under the current act. Trump says a lot of ****, he can say he's going to impose 150% if he wants, one needs to wait until he signs the XO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,615 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    This is Trump just trying to put a positive spin on an absolute disaster of a week for him.

    His second term is in a mess now and it's downhill from here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,533 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    If the court throws out the birthright citizenship nonsense case, that'll really do in his 'agenda'.

    SOTU might be pretty darn interesting for a change. Can't wait to hear the rebuttal…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 562 ✭✭✭pad406


    Am I right in saying that if the tariffs do have to be repaid then the US consumer basically gets hit twice?

    So tariffs (Kile institute) were approx $200bn last year.

    They cost the average household $1,000 * 135m households = $135bn (many studies on this figure) ($65bn absorbed by the importer?)

    Now if that $200bn has to be repaid from the government to the importers (never going back to the consumer) then each household will have to foot that bill too (through increased tax or budgetary cuts). Assuming there's no penalties or interest, that equates to almost another $1,500 per household.

    So his, and his administration's, stupidity, ineptitude and incompetence has now increased the tariff burden on the average household by another 150%.

    Sweet Jesus, my poor old lab collie cross could run the economy better than that and she's been dead for 2 years 😒



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,533 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    The government has collected that money already, so it would not require a new revenue source, Just like a tax refund.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 562 ✭✭✭pad406


    They hardly stuck it in a bank somewhere? It's likely spent or Trump and his cronies have siphoned it off to their pockets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,348 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Listened to a special episode of The Rest is Politics US today.

    Scaramucci was saying how Howard Lutnick's (Secretary of Commerce and Epstein friend Howard Lutnick) two sons own a firm which has spent the last year buying tariff bonds from various small firms and institutions for 10% of the value. So basically they bought the ownership of the payment meaning if there is to be any refund, they get it. The firms they bought this from didn't expect to ever get anything back so they were happy to sell for 10% of the value of the tariff they had paid.

    The tariff's struck down by the Supreme Court yesterday equalled 170B in value so this firm could be in for quite a killing for having paid 10% of the value of the return less than 12 months ago.

    Scott Bessent said last night that he doesn't think that individual Americans will get refunded tariffs they had paid because of the complexity of managing that. What's the betting certain institutions who can package tariffs in to one class action refund claim will somehow be successful.

    It's all a grift!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,092 ✭✭✭nachouser


    The entire American economy is based on grift. It has always been that way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,497 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Absolutely but there was always table scraps left for the common man in the form of the stock market and being slightly lucky etc which is what they sold the falsehood of the American dream on, now it's a completely closed shop unless you pay trump et al to be allowed play.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭batman75


    As I said on another thread I think Trump is wary of war against Iran. However i think Israel have him by the balls over the Epstein files. He may see a chance to make history if he thinks he can instigate regime change in Iran. Israel wants to render Iran defenceless so it can wipe out it's military infrastructure like they've done in Syria since Assad was toppled. A defenceless country is one that Israel can control.

    As long as Israel as we know it now exists their will never be peace in the M/East. The only one country solution is a free Palestine from the river to the see where Jews co exist alongside the Palestinians as equal before the law. Once the baby boomers die off in the U.S. the influence of the Jewish lobby will weaken significantly in Washington. Once that happens the U.S has a better chance to be a good faith actor in bringing about lasting peace in the M/East.

    I don't see the Iranian regime being toppled. Iran is not Iraq or Venezuela. An attack might spell the end for Trump if enough American bodies return home in body bags. Iran won't show the restraint on the U.S or Israel that they showed last year. Trump is nuts. But he'll confirm it again if he instigates war against Iran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,599 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    If I was him I would not be overly confident on how legal this new 15% tariff, (the highest he can impose under an executive order), is if it is appealed to the Supreme Court.

    Trump was crying before the judgement attempting to put pressure on SCOTUS to rule in his favor as it would be economically ruinous if it did not. Chief Justice Roberts put him straight on that in his summation that the economics was none of their concern, the constitution was and his IEEPA tariffs were unconstitutional. So if these new tariffs are challenged then I imagine the argument "we needed the money" will not wash.

    He cannot reimpose the IEEPA tariffs on Canada or Mexico.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,139 ✭✭✭Widdensushi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,599 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    A lot of that tariff money has already been spent or promised off the back of his Big Beautiful Bill

    Farmers have been promised $12 billion due to losses tariffs brought, ICE have been promised $75 billion, $2,000 for everyone before the mid terms, (which alone would have been more than tariffs brought in), money to the defense forces/war forces plus tax cuts etc. in that bill. There is also the $10 billion to his makey uppey peace thing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,599 ✭✭✭✭charlie14




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,147 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    The US Virgin Islands are used by US companies as a tax haven to move profits until they can be repatriated during the next US tax amnesty. Because The U.S. Virgin Islands is unique among offshore tax planning jurisdictions: it is the only jurisdiction which can offer a tax-free entity under the U.S. flag.

    But worse things happened there and there's talk of an amnesty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭amandstu


    "If I was him I would not be overly confident on how legal this new 15% tariff, (the highest he can impose under an executive order), is if it is appealed to the Supreme Court."

    There is no talk of a possible appeal ,is there?

    (I think it may have been the chopping and changing that was so objectionable -and embarrassing for any self respecting American,I would have thought)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,340 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    No I don't think there is. Trump himself pointed out how narrow a focus SCOTUS had in its ruling on the way his tariffs had no legal basis with his quote about the one dollar, that it was not about the monies raised by the tariffs, but about him thinking that as president he could usurp the tariffs authority given to Congress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,599 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    It doesn`t look as if he is going to congress for approval, which in itself leaves the possibility of an appeal depending on the reason he gives for this 15% tariff I would have thought.

    Whatever reason he gives he would still have to get congress approval to continue applying it after 150 days, or come up with another tariff for a different reason.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,599 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Was that quote not taken by Trump from one of the three dissenting judges. Kavanaugh perhaps ?



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