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What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Warning in Post #8023**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    A lot of my strongest opinions these days are about relationships and children.

    In my opinion, we are going to have a lot of regretful childless men and women over 40 starting to appear now and over the next decade or so. I think it will mostly be women but I can see my own older brothers and some friends lament not having kids.

    I don't actively want kids right now but I have just gotten married and whether or not we have them is entirely up to her in the future. When we first met, she wanted kids, but some of my female friends, who are much older than her and don't have children, have absolutely hammered the idea that children are awful into her head. Bad for you, bad for your freedom, bad for the environment, not girl boss, right-wing etc.

    The combination of:

    • the media's portrayal of women growing old together having brunch and wine dates
    • happily married people with kids naturally partnering with other couples socially
    • childless people being more active socially with other younger people
    • adults spending less time around siblings and cousins etc. who have children
    • and IVF successes talked about while failures and miscarriages aren't

    has led to a skewed view of kids that is completely negative and a belief that there is more time to settle than there actually is. I have friends with kids who are totally happy, but they are out with other couples doing family-orientated things in family-friendly places.

    I am not arguing that women should have children and I am not arguing that women should be convinced that having children is a good idea. I am also not saying that all, or even most, childless women will experience regret. I just think this strain of feminism will have impacted many people from the age of 22 through to 37, basically their entire window to settle down and have children. I think those who have truly actually decided for themselves to not have children will experience less regret, while others who are just part of social groups that are very anti-kids, and those who just run out of time, will be more likely to experience regret.

    Plenty of parents express regret also so this isn't just a one-way thing. My point here rests on the last 15 years of social discourse being biased against settling down and having children, so I think the regret will be more experienced by those influenced more by that.

    Something else I have noticed myself is that I grew up in a large family and I always assumed I would be like my parents and uncles and aunts and have family around etc. Somehow along the way, I came to believe that was my future, and I still fundamentally somehow and quite stupidly believe that when I am 70, I will have family around. But I am completely detached from the action that is required now today to make that happen. I would not be surprised if others have a similar idea in the back of their minds, thinking future them will have a life like their parents and uncles and aunts and grandparents, while doing absolutely nothing to make it happen. I don't want children but future me 35 years from now remarkably has adult children.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Here are two of my controversial opinions.

    1. The birthrate falling below replacement is not a problem and the push to have kids, see humanity grow and have the 'next generation' is wrong.

    If we are to die out, we will die out - end of story. I am not having kids and losing my life.

    2. If you choose to have a kid, you should not be allowed to complain about lack of free time - you chose to lose all that the moment you had the child.

    The funny thing is your post is probably correct. People who won't have kids during their 20's - 30's will probably regret it in their 40s. However that annoys the living sh*t out of me.

    You cannot have a life (sports, social events, work and so on) whilst raising a kid (at least for first few years). The kid is your life.

    So choose and don't complain that you don't get the benefits of the other choice. You can't have your cake and eat it too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Life isn't some Olympic event you get to train for repeatedly and perfect it, where every decision one makes is calculated with perfect knowledge.

    I have no idea why people complaining about their life choices bothers you so much. It is everyone's first go at it and we don't receive any training.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    It doesn't that olympic level training and knowledge to know that having a child means losing free time.

    People make that choice aware of the consequences.

    Its either A) or B) and there is no magic inbetween.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Chronic complaining is annoying but if a friend vents about something, I don't mind listening to them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    You cannot have a life (sports, social events, work and so on) whilst raising a kid (at least for first few years). The kid is your life.

    You may as well make this your controversial opinion as it's just plain wrong. I know many people with children who's social life has had to be curtailed a bit but they still go out, play 5-a-side. 2 of them started a band recently (their children are 1&2). All work full time jobs, their wives go out once a week together for dinner and drinks.

    It is very much possible to have a life whilst raising children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,530 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    I'd rather regret not having children than regret having them.

    My wife and I are aware of what having a child entails. We have seen the changes it brought on in family and peers who have had them. FWIW, it's not all bad; some of them are quite happy about it, others less so.

    We look at how their lives have changed (regardless of all attempts, women still do most of the work) and see how it would fit into our lifestyle, which it doesn't, so we've decided against it for now.

    What I do find telling, and obnoxious, is if you state you don't want kids, people will try to convince you to have them but I've yet to see anyone try to convince somebody NOT to have kids.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,760 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    I'd rather regret not having children than regret having them.

    Agreed, but very few people with kids regret having them. Really an edge case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,535 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    I don't think anyone is going to openly admit regretting having kids. It doesn't mean they're happy with their life.

    Everybody justifies their choices. You just have to see them and observe.

    Something I've noticed among my generation who have had kids, is that they seem to have aged markedly, often are overweight and not bothered about their own appearance.

    They'll be on their phone every spare second, even when pushing a pram. Obsessed with taking photos of every little thing their children do.

    It's obviously a tough life these days having kids and it seems to take its toll.

    Of course, there is a reward at the end of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,272 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Of course, there is a reward at the end of it.

    There is?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,760 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    As someone who became a father, it has been the most life changing and wonderful experience of my life despite the tough challenges. You literally become a different person and there is just no way a non-parent could imagine what it’s like.

    I spend a lot of time hanging around with friends who are also parents because of practical considerations. Myself and my wife still have active social lives. I still see friends who aren’t parents and my relationship with them is different because of our different situations but I’m capable of navigating all of this.

    That said I know some people with special needs kids and no one would envy them. It’s a real life sentence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Nathan Jessep


    Every major problem Ireland has today is downstream from immigration.

    You name a problem and it can be fixed by stopping immigration and deportation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I think some of my fellow secularists are quite anti-Church, rather than merely pro separation of Church and State. I think the Church charities are important to fill gaps in state services, though I dont agree with social conservatism.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,535 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Couples. The majority of interactions with couples are not at all genuine. It's like once two individuals become a couple they can no longer be honest to the outside world and everything becomes a performance. When they're apart, usually it's fine, but meeting them together it's like its own weird thing.

    It has happened to me and I've seen it in other friends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    The same problems could be fixed by government building infrastructure, housing and services to meet the needs of the population. If the government doesn't do it now, what makes you think they'd do it when the immigrants are gone?

    Would you acknowledge it's possible you've been fooled into thinking the government would run the country to meet people's needs, but they'll only do it when immigrants are gone?

    Reminds me of the Brexit campaign. People were told the government would fix the NHS if they left the EU. Spoiler it didn't happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Nathan Jessep


    When Mamdami ran for NYC mayor, I was hopeful. we are going to see these left wing ideas put to the test on a large scale, if they work we can copy them , if they fail we put them in the bin.
    One of his main policies was free public transport in NYC, it caught the imagination of the public, day 1 in office he said "No that wont be happening, too expensive", he has now put out his budged for NYC, it is a staggering $127 billion, NYC population of 8,478,072, For comparison entire state of Florida's budget is $117.4 billion for 23,462,518 people, his NYC city budget bigger than the state budgets of 47 states.
    You see the Left are not grounded in reality, they see things as they would like them to be, not how they actually are.

    That brings us to Ireland, There is the real world and then the pretend world, to deny all of Irelands problems are not downstream of immigration , is the pretend world of the left.
    We Deport 500k immigrants in the morning this is what will happen.
    Crime rates will drop - every crime committed by a immigrant is a crime that did not have to happen.


    Housing crisis ends - it would free up 100k housing units in a instant, driving down rents and house prices, we know familys of immigrants fresh into the country been given social housing. Outrageous!


    Hospital over crowding- eliminated over night, "what about all the foreign doctors and nurses" I hear you screech, no need for them as we are bringing them in to look after the increased immigration numbers.


    Infrastructure issues- would be greatly diminished overnight, example is the M50 is a car park these days, remove 500k immigrants many on the road and see the likes of this improve nation wide.


    Schools over crowding- Irish children cant get a place in there local school, as immigrants get priority, well that not a problem with 500k removed from the nation, Brucie bonus of this is scientist in the entire Western world are "baffled" by declining IQ test scores in children. Its too PC to say importing Low IQ sometimes inbred families into Ireland would lower the average IQ Children, well deport the lot of them and watch IQ scores rise.


    Jobs and wages- 500k deported, admittedly not all of them working, would created plenty of job openings, this glut of jobs will lead to increased wages as competing for workers tends to do that.


    Social welfare expenditure- it would be greatly reduced, go to the post office any day of the week and see the imported specimens collecting their dole, its is shocking, all these doctors and engineers on the dole in Ireland. Then we have the Ukrainian scam, fleeing war, but go home for holidays!! €1.165bn spent on accommodation alone in 2024. We see outrage over the cost of the national children hospital, we could build one in each of the 4 provinces and fit it out and operate it for the cost of these Ukrainians, let that sink in!

    Now you will see posters saying many are working and paying taxes, they don't tell you taxes that are spent on back on these immigrants by the government, they are a net drain and always will be studies from Denmark show this, the ones with children get Family income supplement, they pay zero tax and get money of welfare while working.

    That's just of the top of my head, name a problem Ireland has , and I will tell you how its downstream of immigration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭JM2300


    While immigration is most definitely a big problem, it's ridiculous to say every major proble is caused by it. The delay and spiralling costs of Metro North and the children's hospital are not caused by immigration. That is caused by the incompetence of government and the civil service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,787 ✭✭✭barneygumble99


    Controversial opinion of mine : The week is from Monday to Sunday inclusive. Not Sunday to Saturday. Was listening to the news this morning and they referred to that assault in Dublin that happened ‘last week’ , it was Wednesday just gone (18th). I would call that Wednesday this week, or just Wednesday.
    The weekEND is Saturday and Sunday. The clue is in the name. Obviously a lot will disagree with my opinion but that’s what opinions are. Divisive.
    Calendars (a lot of them) have Sunday at the extreme left as you look at it. Whereas diaries that use either one or two pages for 7 days normally have Sunday as the last space for entries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    And '1 in the morning' is wrong too. The morning can't happen until the night is over. 12am is called midnight, the middle of the night. If middle-of-the-night is 12am and 1am is morning then night would be only from 11pm to 1am, with 12 in the middle. Morning is when the sun rises which has nothing to do with our man made temporal yardstick, the clock.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Question for you - if it is thursday and you hear 'last wednesday', do you hear the day before today (yesterday) or wednesday one week ago?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Nathan Jessep


    Name a problem and ill tell you how it is downstream from immigration.

    Every single problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭adaminho


    I'll bite, how is the cost of the childrens hospital the faulty of immigration?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭csirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    If you start asking about unrelated stuff like that, you are implicitly agreeing with him about the stuff that is related.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,787 ✭✭✭barneygumble99


    if I hear last Wednesday I’ll assume Wednesday one week ago. Personally I’d call it yesterday week. If they say last Wednesday and they mean yesterday I’ll assume they’re a bit mental.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Nathan Jessep


    Rapid population increase due to immigration from 3rd world when consanguineous marriage and birth defect are common, present capacity not able to handle the influx of new children into the medical system, panic set into Government, dont want the media full of stories of children in need of medical attention not receiving in so signed of on the new children's hospital in a hurry.

    Would not have happened without immigration.

    Brucie bonus - The Billions that are been spent on HOUSING Ukrainians , never mind the Billions they receive in SOCIAL WELFARE could have been spent on four provincial children's hospitals, fully fitted out and staffed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Nathan Jessep


    Shut It Down!

    When you left leaning folk cant win a argument, you fall back to censorship and deplatforming.

    If you where confident you where correct you would be eager to debate and pick apart the points i posted, the fact you are not speaks volumes on you knowing you dont have as leg to stand on defending immigration.

    Name a problem Ireland has and ill explain how its down stream from immigration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭adaminho


    The Children's hospital is over 30 years in the making. You might want to ask AI again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Nathan Jessep


    Thats the easiest question ill get on this subject, Ireland as part of the EU is not taking in refugee's/immigrants from Russia, if you look at the winter Olympics medal winners a large amount of them are Russian's now representing another country.

    So our immigration policy led by the EU is one of the main causes of lack of medals in the winter Olympics, no Russians allowed.



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