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A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    They mentioned after that lance was stopped by the mail. Or rather push the mail into the wound. He wasn't outright kebabied.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,877 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    There was also quite a bit of foreshadowing with Steely Pate the armourer in previous episodes. I can't find the line from the show but it wasn't more than a paraphrasing of what he said in the novella:

    "I have some pieces in me wagon that might do for you," the man said when he was done. "Nothing prettied up with gold nor silver, mind you**, just good steel, strong and plain. I make helms that look like helms, not winged pigs and queer foreign fruits, but mine will serve you better if you take a lance in the face."

    Not only does it explain (somewhat) how Dunk managed to survive two morningstar blows to the head, it also sets up why Baelor's helm does so little to protect him from his brother's blow. Not only is his helm"prettied up", it's also his son's armour (barely mentioned in the show but it's visibly the same) which is a huge disadvantage: effective armour is custom fitted to the fighter, ill-fitting armour offers far less protection.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,111 ✭✭✭ILikeBoats


    It does a good job of showing how hard it is to see out of the armour!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,961 ✭✭✭Evade


    I don't even think it's super human, definitely rare, but real people, albeit in more modern times, have survived as much trauma.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    The real change in modern times is less infection risk because of antibiotics.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    GoT universe does seem to have this in some form though. What meisters can do seems far beyond real medieval medicine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,416 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Milk of the Poppy is a panacea in the GoT universe like Flat 7up is ours.

    Upset stomach? Milk of the poppy. Hand cut off? Milk of the poppy. Mauled by a zombie bear? Fire and wine, and then death, because they didn't have any Milk of the poppy with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,140 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I heard Flat 7up dissolves White Walkers…

    Milk of the Poppy I always thought of as an opiate, something similar to morphine \ laudanum.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,140 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I was wondering where I'd seen the actress Chloe Lea who played Rafe before - she was one of the Bene Gesserit sisters in Dune Prophecy. Seems to be from Manchester, and her accent wandered around Ireland alright.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,416 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Yeah, I figured it was essentially a painkiller which probably had the effects of an opiate in strong enough doses. I think aside from Essence of Nightshade which seemed to be their version of sleeping pills, Milk of the poppy was just mentioned so much throughout the show that it seemed to be a bit of a cure-all remedy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,877 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Milk of the Poppy is pretty much a description of morphine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The episode was called "In the Name of the Mother" so she might have been doing an homage to Daniel Day Lewis.

    Pity Dunk didn't exit the arena via the terrace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,961 ✭✭✭Evade


    Not unlike opium derivatives were up to the early 20th century.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,961 ✭✭✭Evade


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    If anyone hasn't seen the original Knight of the Seven Kingdoms it's worth watching.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    With a young Robert Baratheon when he was still a squire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,411 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Must watch it again, havent seen it in years, was a good blast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    Are you talking about the books or the TV series? There were little or no graphic rape scenes in the GoT TV series despite all the hysterics about the levels of sexual violence in it. There was a lot suggested and talked about but nothing compared to some scenes we've seen in movies and other TV series like the Sopranos (Dr. Melfi's rape scene in the Sopranos was the most disturbing I've ever seen.) Sansa Stark's wedding night rape by Ramsay Bolton, for example, was all suggestion - the camera turns away and the scene fades out before anything really disturbing is seen. Daenery's wedding night rape by Cal Drogo was about as strong as it got.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,016 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    No, I said it was the Dragon Throne that I found I just didn't want to watch any more of. I had enjoyed Game of Thrones (well, except the last season, obviously) and had been looking forward to the prequel, but it just seemed to have a lot more gratuitous gore and less of a story. Maybe it got better but I had given up. I forget how many episodes I actually watched, but not many.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Milk of the poppy is an opiate, as mentioned. They also have a form of antibiotics. Open wounds are packed with mouldy bread - our first antibiotics being derived from bread mould. It's obviously not explore in detail, and is basically science fiction, but it goes towards explaining the better medical treatment in ASOIAF vrs our medieval times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    The confusion is that there's no book or TV series called the Dragon Throne. So its wasn't clear if you mean Game of Thrones, or House of the Dragon.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    This Dragon Throne show sounds very rough but House of the Dragon was even milder from what I remember. A bit of gore but the nudity and sexual violence is practically non existent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,016 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    It was House of the Dragon then (the Dragon Throne was the name of the dynasty, I remember now) and as I recall the part where I decided I wasn't going to enjoy watching it was in an inn where a number of girls were just assumed to be available for the soldiers who’d come drinking. It wasn’t a battle scene - but that’s exactly why I felt it was just not something I wanted to watch. I didn’t mean it was particularly sexy. And I’m not keen on the fight scenes generally. I liked Game of Thrones because of the power struggles, not the battles. And what I saw of House of the Dragon seemed to have amped up the action at the expense of plot. It may have improved later on but too late for me Im afraid.

    Just my own opinion, as a GoT fan (haven’t read the books TBF). Anyway it was just an aside. Im back onside for the Knights of the 7 Kingdoms series!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    House of the Dragon which has been famously criticised for its lack of action and being all talk and courtroom plot.

    But I suppose when you are commenting on a show you barely watched and can't even remember the name of we shouldn't be expecting insightful analysis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Not sure where you are getting Dragon Throne from. The dynasty was House Targaryen, the "throne" was know as the Iron Throne, both of which were the same in AGOT….and A Knight of the 7 Kingdoms for that matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,016 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Getting real life and fiction mixed up lol - the Dragon Throne was a metonym for the Chinese monarchy, and as there was the Iron Throne in GoT, I must have extrapolated that there was the same specifically for the Targaryens, as I was sure I'd heard the expression used.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,016 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Ooh that's me told! If I'd come onto a House of the Dragon thread to complain about it, you'd have a point.

    As it is, you just sound very crabbit. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,961 ✭✭✭Evade


    Good series overall. I think the absolut worst thing they could do is give it a bigger budget, the stories need to stay small.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,997 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Not sure about that last episode, albeit they obviously had to drag it out quite a bit. Would have been better I think if they abandoned the flashback in Ep 5 that completely changes Dunk's backstory and had the trial and the aftermath in one episode.

    In the book Dunk and Maekar have one conversation (and I think Maekar actually goes to Dunk rather then summoning him) and Maekar drags the line about Daeron and Aerion being pampered pooches out of him when Dunk hesitates to speak his mind. As he does so, Maekar has a quite prominent moment of reflection and realisation, and I don't think he says another word. Now with Egg apparently having run off and lied to Dunk they've undone that completely. Feels completely needless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭FortuneChip


    Bravo. What a thoroughly enjoyable season of television.

    The finale served as a great epilogue to last week's battle.

    The whole show balances tone really well, with Dunk's earnestness suiting lighter more humorous conversations with Egg, Lyonel and Raymun as well as it does in more formal interactions with Baelor & Maekar throughout the season. All of Maekar's scenes in this episode were brilliant actually. The blink and you'll miss it post-credit scene being the perfect conclusion. Egg, you rascal!

    And a fitting farewell to Ser Arlen.

    If they can deliver six episode seasons of that quality each year, I'll mark my calendar and count down the days happily.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,997 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    I forgot about the Brian O'Conner, sorry Ser Arlen, farewell scene. That was touching. Not the same without Wiz Khalifa, but very good nonetheless.



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