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Are you going to retire at 66

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭dublin49


    I have seen reports citing 60k for a couple for comfortable retirement.

    From my experience that much is not required but I would not like to be a heavy pub drinker and smoker nowadays.

    Depending on lifestyle from frugal to less so I would suggest a range of 45k to 50k for a comfortable retirement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,558 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    45-50k after tax for a couple and half for a single person?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭dublin49


    not exactly half as living as a couple is not twice as dear as a single,maybe 30k for single.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    I purchased a new phone just after I retired. 9 months later, I was trying to find the alarm on the phone because in the 9 months since I retired, not even once had I needed to set the alarm.

    In the good weather last summer, we had both lunch and dinner in the back garden, often having a two-hour lunch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Nathan Jessep


    You are living in fantasy land if you think this is realistic.

    People are raising families and not earning this much today, so why would they need that much in retirement?

    All the expenses you have while working are gone, off the top of my head a few savings to give you a idea of what i mean in a 48 week work year.

    Fuel car to get to work €50 a week =€2400

    coffee and lunch €15 per day =€3600

    lets say €500 a year on work clothing

    So just from this you wont be spending €7,700 a year for a single person, so double that for a working married couple for a shocking €15,400!!! money spent to go to work , a expenditure that will not exist when you retire!

    When you retire you no longer commute to work, your probably putting only €30 of fuel into the one car each week, no need for two cars when both of you retire.

    Take a step back and look at what you currently spend, remove work expenses and be shocked at the amount you spend getting to work and while at work, all expenses that will not exist in retirement.

    Remember during covid people where working from home, after covid government wanted people back in office to work, as they where losing a fortune in tax , as fuel sales down, coffee shops empty, no one buying lunch. Thats you when you retire, you are not spending thousands a year unnecessary



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    That's an assumption that these expenses are that high which in reality they aren't for the majority of people,

    In my situation travel to work (3 days a week in office) is €12 a week (public transport). No lunch or coffees as I bring my own lunch and we've very good Nespresso machines in work and clothes are just day to day clothes so this expense is not an added cost, I'll still be buying clothes when retired.

    My yearly spend for going to work wouldn't even be near €1000.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Nathan Jessep


    It cant be under estimated the benefits of a good nights sleep, little mental and physical ailments you had while working just vanish with a few weeks of peaceful sleep. I go to bed anytime between 11pm and 1am , depending on what im doing, wake up 6-7 hours later fresh as a daisy, deep peaceful sleep every night.

    When i wake up a 5am in the summer and it bright , i just get up, hear the neighbours car starting up as they head off for a long day in work, out to the garden to feed the birds, all is good in the world.

    Sure why not, i'll cook the chicken in the fridge and have that on prebake crusty bread rolls for breakfast around 9ish, while thats cooking i give downstairs a quick tidy up and then hop on the exercise bike, knock a hour out watching TV, have a shower and take Chicken out of oven.

    Sure its only 8am might as well nip down to Aldi and get the deposit money back for the bag of cans i have and do a bit of shopping, see even more poor bastards stuck in traffic heading of to work, anyway not my concern.

    Get home have a lovely breakfast, now what will i do for the day? Get a phone call at 10, "Cheltenham is starting today, do you fancy going out for a pint" I do, see you in the pub at 1 then. So i potter around the house until 11 , then say sure i might as well get a hours nap in before the pub, lovely stuff, nap from 11 to little after 12.

    Wake up feeling brand new and rearing to go, herself drops me to the pub and let the merriment begin, good time had by all, leave pub around 6, road packed with tired glum looking workers returning home shattered, I chuckle to my self, that was once me, but never again.

    I go home eat what ever is put up in front of me an relax for the evening, have a few cans and watch movie, ahh sure why not ,I'll go to bed early , sound asleep at 10, sleep like a log until 6am, I wake up and hear the neighbours cars starting up , and i smile to myself, early retirement is the best thing that ever happened to me.

    Get out as early as you can, you will not regret it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    Excellent earlier post by @Nathan Jessep

    There's loads of "wealth management" outfits springing up as our demographic bulge that drove the property bubble in past decades are now hitting retirement. They'll drive an industry of insecurity and fear of missing out just to get you in their door to buy one of their products.

    I've noticed that even rural towns that might only have a supervalu and a bookies will now have a wealth management shop fronted by some greying former local GAA legend, not dissimilar to how the banks used sports stars to front their sales departments during the property mania. I can well imagine them pushing notions like anything less than 30K retirement being uncomfortable. Fools and their money etc..

    I've had a taste of full retirement for the last couple of years due to minding elderly relatives and honestly weeks could go by where we might spend a couple of hundred euros on essentials, need one car maybe every second day, etc…. The biggest frustration at the moment is I'd normally be a lot further on in the garden by now but the bloody weather is awful. At least I'm getting through my book pile.

    Prior to the pandemic we'd been living in an apartment in Dublin and while convenient for work we were doing it really wasn't a relaxing setting for retirement. What was very strong was feeling the need to get away from that setting a lot, which became a necessity that cost money. Whereas now away from Dublin with a lovely garden to mess around in, a walkable town with all our needs, and good transport options to the nearest city. The only pang to get away now is a maybe a Canaries holiday in Jan/Feb to escape the winter blues. It's not possible at the moment as the elderlies aren't portable, but I look on the websites and see plenty of half board options + flights coming in at 2k for a couple for a week.

    I've also been pricing the train passe around Europe for the shoulder seasons and there's simple years of adventure ahead.

    Interestingly I had been mulling the idea of a Campervan of european holidays but the more I read on travel options around Europe the more inclined I am to travel light and comfortably for shorter stints.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Nathan Jessep


    You are lucky then, most are not, the long commute to work is a unfortunate reality for many, expensive in time and money.

    Never mind the likes of restaurants or fast food outlets, the likes of Centras deli counters are rammed every lunch time workers buying a roll for lunch, these are real expenses for the majority of workers, consider yourself very fortunate.

    As for clothing you work from home 2 days a week , you could wear pyjamas and no one would know, thats not a option for those leaving the house for work each day, most jobs require a certain level of attire, that costs money and that is a extra expense.

    How many have to wear a suit to work and only every wear jean and t-shirt when not working? Id hazard a guess its a lot of people, a necessary expense that will not exist in retirement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    hard to retire when one has a good job…….look at the money thats lost by sitting at home.

    Money is a drug that has us all…we tell each other it will be all after us but still no good.

    Look at gay byrne , Larry gogan all worked into their eighties…pat kenny still working at 75….its just too hard to give up the big money.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    My commute is usually an hour each way.

    People who choose to buy lunch everyday that's on them, it's not necessary by any stretch of the imagination.

    Most offices now don't require full business attire anymore, jeans/tousers and a shirt/blouse is pretty standard, clothes that most would wear day to day anyway so it's not an added expense. No I cannot wear pj's at home, have calls regularly that I need to dress for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Nathan Jessep


    The pension advisors are probably on commission, the bigger the pension they sell you the more they get paid, so worth bearing in mind with all the advice they publish.

    As i live in what would be considered a commuter town to Dublin, I did not even think about selling the home and downsizing or moving out of a expensive region like Dublin, mega money to be unlocked right there for your retirement.

    A friend of mind took early retirement and bought a motor home as the Americans call them, he had full intentions of traveling around Europe, he did a few trips around Ireland to learn the ropes, him and the wife had had such a good time around Ireland they have not bothered once to go abroad with it, I asked him about this and he said , there is no need plenty to see and do right here in Ireland.

    He paid about €25k for the motor home, about 7 years ago, he was curious how much it would be worth today, it would still be worth €25k! The demand for motor home apparently rose with Covid and has not diminished.

    Also factor in that as you wont be tied down by work or children in school, you can book a holiday abroad and go on a whim if you see a bargain, big money saved there on a holiday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Nathan Jessep


    What use is money to you when you spend your time working earning it and have no time to spend it?

    The man with €500 a week in his pocket and retired, is infinitely better off than the man working 40 hours a week plus commute who has €1000 in his pocket each week.

    Dont ever equate money with happiness, it a mistake many only learn too late in life



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭MadeInKerry


    Mortgage and mortgage protection insurance too. Both should be gone if you want to retire. I wouldnt bother retiring if they were still going for me. We could go down to one car too if we didnt need both cars for work. That alone is almost 20k a year for us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Nathan Jessep


    As i said , you are lucky in your work situation , most are not unfortunately.

    Not everyone works in a office with relaxed dress codes, working constructing you will destroy clothing at a constant rate, that needs replacing

    Be honest ,you wear appropriate clothing from the waist up for calls at home, and are wearing shorts out of view.😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    No they don't but not everyone works in construction either, everyone's situation is different but I'd wager most are not spending near €7700 a year on work expenses.

    No I don't, I get dressed fully when working from home, treat wfh basically the same as when going to the office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Nathan Jessep


    When you actually think of the expenses you currently have they all add up to a tremendous sum of money that you will not be required to spend when you retire.

    You got to take this into consideration when calculation what you need for retirement, the difference between what you would like to have as a pension and what you need is vast.

    Now you must consider is it worth working harder and doing without when younger so you can pay for this pension you would like to have when you retire or actually set a real pension target and live as best a life life while you are working, not killing yourself to pay for a pension you dont need…. but would like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    @Nathan Jessep

    I'm not sure how it works at the moment but there seems to be more linkage happening with the various free travel passes around EU member states, so maybe in time we'll get a common pensioner EU travel pass that could make the whole adventure even cheaper.

    I know in the GAA circles Valhalla is owning a retirement villa on a golf course in Portugal. Many have done it and are happy out, and more power to them, but all their healthcare needs are back home and once one of a pair has ill health they both come home, and the villa becomes a liability.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Nathan Jessep


    As i said your lucky, you get the bus to and from work when not working from home, most cant do this.

    5 days a week in and out of work from one of the many commuter towns, in truth €50 a week on fuel is probably on the low side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭MadeInKerry


    I wouldnt be spending €7700 on work exopenses. But what I spend wouldnt be insignificant either. Its a fair old chunk of cash to get back. But the most valuable thing to get back for me would be time. Currently i give about 140 hours to my employer per month plus 50 hours of commute per month and another 20 hours per month i waste at lunch time as i have to spend it near work. So thats over 2000 hours per year that will be mine to do with as I please. Cant wait.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    1000 hours per month is 33 hours a day.

    You may want to check your figures there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭MadeInKerry


    Sure I have some colleagues who pay that on tolls to get to work every week. Its either that or car parking at the train station and then train fare. Then more time getting luas or bus to the office. Its easier for them to just drive straight to the office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Nathan Jessep


    Boil it all down to its essence, what do you need in retirement?

    A nice warm home, nice furniture, a big TV for entertainment and a garden to potter around in.

    A car to get you from A to B, no need for anything fancy

    Nice clothing for when you want to go anywhere.

    The price of a few pints whenever its takes your fancy

    Lets say €5,000 in the bank ,just in case washing machine breaks, want to change the sofa.

    A holiday here or abroad now and then.

    Dont need to kill yourself when young to get a modest pension that will provide all this and more



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭MadeInKerry


    Well seen. Calculator malfunction. meant to state it per year and missed a button somewhere. But you get the idea. Its a lot of hours per year. Ill get the calculator out and edit it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Nathan Jessep


    That is true, and these expenses will not be there for them in retirement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Still doesn't add up as 1000 hours over a working year (240 days) is only just over 4 hours a day that you say you're spending working, commuting and lunch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭MadeInKerry


    Its just an example of an idea about getting time back which is valuable to someone retiring.

    Here is a question for you. How many hours would you get back for yourself if you retired?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Plenty, but I'm about 30 years or so off retiring so it's not something I need to concern myself with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭MadeInKerry


    So why are you getting all uppity with people who want to talk about retirement? Relax and take deep breaths. Everything will work out and be just fine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    No one is getting uppity, just pointing out that your figures were miles off.



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