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General British politics discussion thread

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,058 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    To be fair to them, they rejected him 6 times.

    Yet he retained an absolutely mental level of platform.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭midlander12


    They rejected him largely because the Tories were essentially offering them the same thing, which of course went so well for them……



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,210 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Another Uturn by Starmer

    "Ministers have abandoned plans to delay elections to 30 councils across the country following a legal challenge from Reform UK"



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    The guy has a huge majority and the backbone of a Hagfish to be fair.

    Maybe they have been given legal advice that it is unlikely they will win in court and it will need to happen anyway, but the optics are terrible for Starmer, who many people believe can be influenced and is a weakling who will always give in if enough pressure is applied by others.

    I've seen a lot of good work being done by Labour in the area in the UK I used to live, from a local MP who actually givens a damn rather than the parachuted in Tory that he replaced, but the leadership of the party is a shambles and stand for nothing and have no conviction. I was someone who was very much a Starmer fan when he first took over as leader and thought he would win the election, but honestly, since he has took power I have been hugely disappointed and it is about time he fell on his sword for someone who has a backbone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,348 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The fact that this hasn't been mentioned here might give some indication as to its chances of success.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/15/rupert-lowe-great-yarmouth-first-party-far-right-reform-uk

    But after introducing five councillors who will stand at the next Norfolk county council elections under that banner, the former Reform UK figure went further by announcing that his Restore Britain movement would become a national party.

    In an electoral battlefield littered with failed startups, Lowe’s new party is, for now, little more than a pebble in the shoe of Nigel Farage’s Reform, from which he parted ways last year after a bitter falling out.

    However, over the weekend other parties and figures to the right of Reform quickly rallied behind the new party. Advance UK, led by the former Reform deputy leader Ben Habib and backed by the far-right activist known as Tommy Robinson, said it would consider a merger.

    Ordinarily, you might think that they will eventually merge with Reform, but given that Lower was in Reform already, that doesn't seem likely.

    Apparently Elon Musk commented in favour of the party at the weekend so it will be interesting to see what way this develops. It's likely that we're going to have the Tories/Reform/Restore trying to out extreme each other in a bid to gain the lead.

    I'd say right now you'd say it's probably even money that either or both party might have disappeared entirely by the time the election comes around. Strangely, because they're seeking to replace the Tories, Reform might actually benefit from this if Restore does end up being seen as the most extreme of the right wing parties.

    Anyone want to gamble on who is going to get more seats in UK election 2029; Restore, or Your Party?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,348 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I have been hugely disappointed and it is about time he fell on his sword for someone who has a backbone.

    Do you think Wes Streeting is that person? If not, who would you think may be best? I think Streeting has been damaged by association with Mandelson and maybe the strongest candidate they could have had, Burnham, they've excluded from being a contender.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    To be honest I've never been a huge fan of Wes Streeting. he comes across as a bit smug and has some pretty dodgy associations himself with the likes of Palantir and the association with Mandelson, among others, even if he has recently tried to come out and get ahead of that particular relationship by revealing his dealings.

    Burnham is an interesting one as someone actually I know has had dealings with him and honestly they are not that complimentary of him. I think he'd go down well in the North, without a doubt because he has been a champion for up there, but I remain to be convinced that he is going to be able to get support of the wider country.

    Saying that either of them are going to be a darn site better than Starmer, who I have no idea what stands for and he has no courage of his own convictions, he has been a huge disappointment to me and either of the two names mentioned above would be a better fit. You would think that Starmer doesn't have a huge majority. He seems scared of doing anything with it.

    Sometimes when you are a PM you need to take difficult measures for the good of the country, even if you are going to get slaughtered for it, left, right and centre and not back down. With Starmer as PM there's no chance he will do anything like that as has been shown. He'll just make a U-Turn and just ends up being someone who is being played by the likes of Reform who know if they make enough noise, he can be manipulated.

    Angela Rayner is one that the Labour supporters tend to back a lot, but the media would tear her to pieces and whilst she might appease internal people, she's not going to work for the country as a whole and Labour supporters need to realise that, rather than back a candidate to appease the party that won't appeal enough to the electorate as a whole. That has already been tried with Jeremy Corbyn.

    Who I feel sorry for are the genuinely good labour Politicians who got elected last time around who are doing a tremendous amount for their local areas, but are seeing their social media profiles full of abuse because of the failures of the wider party leadership.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭Randycove


    what is your point? That the UK government, under the influence of the zionists, have adopted the US version of Tik Tok?

    As I have previously said, it’s a shame the conspiracy theorists that have taken over every Israel related thread have now descended on this forum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,348 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    It's not complicated, nor is it a conspiracy theory.

    Israeli influence on various organisations and institutions have affected how they act and this has had an impact on how the public experience their decisions/services. Tik Tok and the UK government are two, but not the only two examples of this.

    And when you have Israeli officials at various times talking about action that is needed, and then steps happen that result in that action been taken, it's not a conspiracy theory, it's current affairs.

    And you might disagree, that's fine, this is a discussion board. But we've seen intensely over the last few years the network of involvement of Israeli lobby groups and how they themselves in various instances have influenced or sought to influence politicians, public platforms and the like. And you might say so what, that is what lobby groups do, but this is while Israel has been carrying out a genocide on the Palestinian people, and for that reason, I feel, a light should be shone on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,375 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,058 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Ok, but what does the US subsidiary of TikTok being sold in a questionable manner to an associate of Trump have to do with British politics?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,058 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I wouldn't read too much into it. There will be very little money going on to a market that won't complete for 3ish years. Very easy to move the scales.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,375 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    True. It's just nice to see Reform not be in the lead for a change.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,348 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    As I said in my post, the people that advised Cooper which led to the proscription of Palestine Action will have learned from the whole event in the same way that certain people learned from how Israel was perceived when its actions were displayed on Tik Tok.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Claims the Reform UK candidate in Gorton received money from the Hungarian "Matthias Corvinus Collegium". Claims of Russian ties to the MCC.

    Reforms ex Welsh leader Nathan Gill was convicted of accepting bribes from Russia recently.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,538 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Are you in any way surprised that the party led by a man who admires Putin has members with Russian links (financial or otherwise) ?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭Randycove


    hang on, are MI5 controlling Tik tok now?

    These lizard people get everywhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,348 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    That's what you took from this?

    Interesting. You've quite the mind (imagination).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,348 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    This is the firm that was awarded a 300M+ NHS IT/AI contract in 2023.

    Palantir of course also noteworthy in recent years for working extensively with Israel supporting its actions in Gaza and also supporting the work of ICE in the US.

    That CEO is like a character straight out of a parody Bond film.

    What a crazy thing to say to investors. Would people be confident that this company would follow and uphold the law with respect to patient data available within the NHS?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭Randycove


    they are a data company that has a very significant interest in defence. What exactly do you think a defence company does if it doesn’t scare enemies and if required, kill them?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,348 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    He specifically referred to their interests in the UK when appealing to investors.

    Their interests in the UK include significant contracts with the NHS.

    When was the last time the UK government was actively trying to kill people in its own interests as a national strategy?

    And that aside, the majority of people the world over don't like glorification in death. It's why they go out of their way to not use such terms as used here in most instances. Because they know it creates a bad perception of their role in the eyes of the public.

    This guy seemed to glorify the use of the term and even advocates of the AI industry becoming involved in healthcare (such as Wes Streeting) will not thank him for it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭Randycove


    investors invest in a company, not just their interests in one country. If you want to invest in them then you need to be comfortable that in some instances, their systems are used to scare enemies and if required kill them. It is an honest statement, he isn’t glorifying death at all.

    More typical outrage for the sake of outrage again. Palantir are a data company that has a large defence division. Big **** deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,348 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    This is one of the founders of Palantir, Peter Thiel, being asked in an interview if he would like the Human Race to endure (The question was asked in the context of advancing AI).

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LXpc1YiXDoQ

    The video is 15 seconds long so I'll let you watch it yourself rather than me telling you how he responded. But anyone who struggles with such a question and doesn't answer immediately with a forceful yes, is absolutely not someone who should be involved in delivery solutions (particularly and especially in the area of Healthcare) to Government entities.

    Between this mindset, and that of the current company CEO shown above, massive red flags should be going off about the direction these individuals and the companies they lead are pushing society.

    And you might call my concerns about this "typical outrage", and people with a mindset I'm pretty sure you have will say similar to what you are saying here, and later argue that the second amendment is necessary to prevent a tyrannical government. Companies like this are some of the ingredients of a tyrannical government and they are looking to gain more and more influence wherever they can. And as Karp said above, this includes the UK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The feud between Reform UK and 'Restore Britain' is hotting up - and Musk clearly hates Farage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭Randycove




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,348 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You do realize I posted factual content, don't you?

    Which part do you think falls under the definition of conspiracy?

    You guys have spent so long crying wolf, you either aren't willing or not able to recognize one when they finally turn up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭Randycove


    it isn’t the content, it’s your interpretation of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,210 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Well i certainly didnt expect to see this when I woke up this morning

    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,348 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    This doesn't look good for Mandelson, you can be sure of that. Anything they do to Andrew with respect to conduct in office they're going to do more intensely to him I feel.

    There was a former Norwegian PM similarly charged last week also.

    It's like a house of cards slowing teetering and starting to fall isn't it. And each of these events that happen outside the US will put pressure on the media there (the authorities are complicit with the cover up) to keep asking questions.

    Andrew being arrested might help Starmer to some degree as it spreads the focus and undoubtedly there will be entwinement between Andrew and various government officials who should have been watching him which will include Tories also.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,497 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    This is going to be fascinating to see play out, Trump has now fully lost control over the epstein scandal as its spread beyond his reach, France initiating various investigations and now the UK going as far as arresting a Royal(Ex) is huge.

    Farage is going to be tying himself in knots on how to play this as everything he says for or against andrews arrest and guilt can then be applied to mandelson who he absolutely wants to make hay out of to affect Labour but again he wants to keep Trump onside so if he goes to hard he will piss of orange daddy.



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