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2025 Irish EV Sales

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,036 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I think that if all things were equal, and we had 50-60 years of decent EV technology development, that most people would prefer an EV over an ICE. Smoother driving, instant acceleration, cleaner air, 100% fill while you sleep, what's not to love?

    Similar to Diesel, if we didn't have huge VRT and tax breaks on diesels since 2008 we'd likely all still be in petrol cars



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,725 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Yes I agree that in 50 years time EV's would be a much better proposition. But right now I do think the increase in sales is mainly due to local grants & incentives, as well as EU regulations limiting the amount of ICE vehicles manufacturers can sell.

    And this is coming from someone who drives an EV



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,036 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Exactly, innovation needs to be fast-tracked because the planet can't wait 50 years, that's why we need incentives and limits at every level.

    Not sure we are disagreeing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,603 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Stuck in a diesel A5 for a few days while the MY is in the garage. What an absolute pile of cancer-causing overrated sh1te. Can't wait to get back in the Y. What the absolute f am I supposed to be looking at here? Worse than Times Square, do Audi want everyone to think they're an F-16 pilot? In such a slow and unresponsive car. Boggles.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,899 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Last ICE car i really drive for any distance was last summer in a kodiaq 2 litre diesel automatic

    I can safely say I'd have an EV over it for same money. I hated the kodiaq.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,631 ✭✭✭MarkN


    maybe you’re not aware but the EU has moved the goalposts several times and it’s still up in the air. Boris Johnson has nothing to do with EU regs either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,505 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    I would have bought an EV. 3500 off proved to be a bit of snake oil selling when the prices of EVs dropped regardless - there was a lot of fat built in to the model up to 2023, thankfully a bit better now. The real incentives were cheap/no tolls, and free on street electricity - all of which were gone by 2023.

    EVs are nicer to drive and nicer to own, and the more techy models are nicer places to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,979 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Personally I was fed up with dpf, egr, HT lead problems. Theres a litany of maintenance headaches with modern ICE all expensive. Oil changes, belts,wet belts the list is endless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭extra-ordinary_


    100% fill while you sleep, what's not to love?

    Not everyone has a driveway and home charger, and with the increase in the amount of apartment blocks getting built, how do people living in apartments manage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,979 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,725 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    High EV market share is going to be impossible without a solution tho. Most new apartments don't even have parking never mind charging



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭sk8board


    apartments make up 10-15% of housing stock, but obviously are fully concentrated in cities, esp Dublin.

    It makes less sense for apartment dwellers to buy EVs unless there’s cheap overnight electricity. Yes there’s lots of corner cases of people plugging cars in at workplaces, but that’s not a solution.

    That said, maybe if the environment was the priority, then people paying ICE prices for public charging EVs just means they’re spending the same per km as their ICE car cost them, and that’s just how the future looks.

    A home charger is just such a massive advantage for EV ownership



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 684 ✭✭✭Killer K


    There are plenty of apartments located in smaller towns all over the country.

    If it is purely a environmental concern then fewer cars on the road, be they ICE, Hybrid or BEV, is the best outcome. Not one that I am personally advocating for..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,603 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Most apartments have dedicated parking spaces. For new apartment builds, is it possible to have each space wired for a charger that is connected to either the owner's consumer unit? Or to be connected to an additional EV-parking consumer unit in the parking area owned by the apartment owner? Maybe not installed from the get go, but could be connected and installed by ESB on request and apartment owners not have to pay full whack for an additional connection?

    Having EV charging under the control of anyone other than the property and vehicle owner is only going to result in gouging and profit taking. Have to cut out the middle man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    No need for anything as complex. An RFID tag system would allow apartment dwellers to access an on-site EV charging hub. I've seen recent planning approvals for apartment and housing developments include conditions for EV charging hubs.

    I wouldn't necessarily be over concerned by price gouging, these would be slow chargers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,603 ✭✭✭✭josip


    My concern is that a 3PP will have the contract for install and support of that EV charging hub and will simply price at a point 20% below the next cheapest alternative for apartment dwellers EV charging. Which at the moment is around 35c kWh DC charging and hassle. They might only discount it by 10% because they've got the convenience factor. Nobody in an apartment will be charging their EV for less than 20c a kWh with a 3PP involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,725 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    New apartments in Dublin don't have parking, and if they do, there usually isn't a parking space for each apartment, let alone a dedicated one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭evftw


    Combination of the market and car owners will sort out this apartment charging.

    For market I see that for example in Dunshauglin Aldi have installed a bank of AC that I assume cater for local dwellers as I can't see any other use for AC charging at a supermarket. Various businesses and networks will install these once it becomes clear that money can be made, and perhaps new customers be attracted to their side business like in case of Aldi where people might get in the habit of shopping at Aldi instead of Lidl or Supervalu if they don't have the facilities.

    The owners of apartments/townhouses/cars will need to liaise with the estate management to come up with the solutions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭sk8board


    generally speaking people don’t buy EVs because of environmental reasons, it’s down to lower running costs (irrespective of car purchase cost).

    I’ve never spoken to a single person who tells me they’ve bought an EV and how much they’re doing for the environment- but every single one of them (myself included), will happily tell you how their fuel bill is reduced 80% and there’s fewer consumable service parts.

    That’s not going to change, it’s just human nature when it comes to such expensive purchases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    even at 30c/kWh EV apartment dwellers would make significant savings versus ICE apartment dwellers.

    take two comparable EV and ICE models. copilot evidences a significant saving over 400km…

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    even if you had to charge at Lidl at 50c/kWh, their current rate, you are still making a significant saving.

    the evolution of local authority car parks into large slow charging (up to 22kW) EV hubs is where I see widespread expansion of EV charging. I was going through a nearby town in rural Ireland recently. The main street has your typical row of terraced houses along the length of it. These people would in the future be catered for by the local council car park hub instead of the local filling station as they are today. Councils are already doing it with one or two fast chargers in these car parks, the next step (which is underway) is the rollout of 7-22kW hubs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭sruthair


    according to motor stats site there were more diesel land cruisers (1216 sold). than pure electric bz4x (481 sold) in 2025.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,725 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    That's very interesting. They are classed as a commercial so don't get counted towards the passanger vehicle numbers. But they are very much a car..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭sruthair


    404 of the land cruiser sales were private customer sale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭sk8board


    people buy the vehicle that suits their requirements. Obviously it’s apples and oranges in terms of the requirements and vehicle types. How long do you think it will take for people who require a Land Cruiser to have an EV alternative? it’s realistically a decade+ away



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,603 ✭✭✭✭josip


    We must speak sometime so 🙂 We switched to EV as soon as the cost was comparable to our diesel, not for any savings.

    And I'm maxing out panels and having to put in more batteries than usage justifies on a solar install at the moment on a house that's not my PPR. Yes, there will be increased clipping in the summer but overall annual output back to the grid will be slightly more. It'll take more years for us to break even and cost a bit more, but doing a tiny bit to bring down our CO2 intensity.

    I just think we're completely fcuking up the planet's atmosphere and considering the feedback loops, my kids are going to have an insurmountable problem to fix unless our generation take big steps to correct and fix. Some of us don't really understand or believe it yet though. But if someone can understand compound interest, they can understand positive feedback loops. As the saying goes, "those who understand compound interest charge it, those who don't, pay it."

    But that's just me and my beliefs, each to their own. But since I'm lucky enough to have the spare cash I'll do what I can.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,036 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It's a fair point and there definitely needs to be a solution for the 10-15% of homes that are apartments. I'd say even fewer as many of these apartments are located in city centres and there's a growing ideology suggesting they shouldn't need cars at all if active travel and public transport are effective in their areas

    But I do agree that the full cost benefit isn't going to be realised by apartment dwellers in the current situation and changes to the public charging infrastructure are needed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭sruthair


    the electric hilux is being released this summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭sk8board


    ”Toyota’s engineers have deliberately avoided chasing maximum range or payload with the new Hilux BEV, its first all-electric pickup. Instead, the Hilux BEV has been developed to meet the needs of customers who require genuine off-road ability in a zero-emission package. Forestry, utilities, construction support and airport ground operations are among the target sectors – environments where the truck’s shorter range is less of a limitation.”

    It will replace a few of the hilux sales probably, but only a few. Reduced payload and range is exactly the opposite of why people opt for a hilux. It’s like the Ford f150 lightning - in reality it’s a different vehicle completely to its sister ICE car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,603 ✭✭✭✭josip




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,424 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    If you don't have a parking space you shouldn't have a car. You wouldn't buy a shed if you didn't have somewhere to put it.



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