Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

When someone isn't truthful at the start of the asylum application process then yes they are already a failed AS.

It doesn't matter now anyway because the government caved in as usual and they will be let stay here.

We have shown ourselves to be a soft mark country once again.

Well I don't think that's true at all to be honest. Brexit represented one of the greatest Right wing project victories in British history and was followed by Tory governments in which absolute right wing conservative ideologues like Priti Patel, Suella Braverman etc held high offices of state. The current US administration is a kind of mixture of genuine right wing ideologues (like Miller) and a bunch of people who don't seem to have any coherent clear ideology beyond loyalty to Trump. Indeed, Trump himself doesn't seem to have any real ideological motivation beyond total self-aggrandissement. The other big difference is that the Trump administration has bent the constitution and the concept of presidential power to circumvent the opposition it might otherwise face (in ways that a British government would struggle to do) — and of course we are seeing before our very eyes why it won't last.

There is a tendency for people to say that Right wing governments that don't achieve what their supporters / voters wanted weren't really Right wing at all, and this explains their failure. More often, it's simply the fact that running a country often means your ideology crashes into a wall of realism and you end up having to walk back on many of your principles because otherwise they meet far too much resistance and opposition to be feasible in the long term.

And we're back to the Irish emigrated to find work abroad in countries looking for workers so we have to take the worlds poor

Who said that exactly?

But not to let facts get in the away of a good rant.

Immigrants here like the Irish were when they immigrated are more likely to be working.

Ireland has no historical baggage, colonial “guilt” or moral reason to take in migrants.

None.

Ireland should absolutely preserve and protect its own unique culture and heritage.

The system should Always look after its own first and foremost, not arrivals from other continents who seek to avail of all of the advantages without contributing a damn cent.

Where are they working is another salient question though

We don’t need thousands of extra takeaway drivers and petrol station attendants - these migrants just undercut Irish low skilled workers and young people

Doctors, nurses, construction workers? Yes please, you’re very welcome

To be fair - I don't really understand how they are meant to undercut a job that is paid minimum wage

There's lots of actual issues here there's no need to add in fake ones.
Come to Ireland, work and try to fit into your new local community = no problem.

We have more "low skilled" jobs than people to fill them.

What you are hilariously suggesting is the supply and demand model is working in reverse. Water running up a hill.

It's nonsensical.

I would suggest that that post, among others, smells either of seriously misguided self righteous twaddle or paid by the post type propaganda to quell any discontent against the only game in town see no evil hear no evil type malaise that is permeating most discussion on this issue. Just my opinion of course

Mod Edit: Warned for attacking the poster

Nope - what were previously jobs filled by students and young people are now being supplanted by migrants, hence the rising levels of youth unemployment evidenced above.

From the article.

There might be 300 jobs and you’d be printing off three that were suitable for the young people. They’re all looking for experience and a lot of them are looking for the full driving licence,”

I don't know any shops or petrol stations where that is a requirement. Nothing to do with immigrants though.

Maybe things have changed. Would appear to be in hair dressing at least.

Janis also points to the hairdressing profession, where young women traditionally “started sweeping the floor, then worked their way up”. Now, she says, there is a greater college element and related emphasis on educational requirements.

Again, nothing to do with immigrants.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/economy/arid-41764466.html

The research found ongoing shortages reported in sectors including hospitality, healthcare, retail, industrial and warehousing. More than one-third of employers (36%) are now relying on temporary or short-term staffing solutions to fill critical gaps. Some 67% of businesses had problems recruiting staff in 2025, while 41% said they had lost staff over the past six months.

So we will label that myth busted?

You don’t reckon you need a driver’s license to deliver pizzas for domino’s?
Mostly used to be college students doing that job in my area 10 years ago.
Not anymore.

In any case do you think say a 40 year old Indian man would be more or less likely to have a full drivers license than a 18 year old Irish teenager?
It’s obviously an additional barrier that’s appearing more regularly that, intentional or not, is going to disadvantage younger Irish people whether it’s a driving related role or not.

How do you square the rise in migrant employment in areas such as retail and other lower wage work, which happens to coincide with a rise in youth unemployment?

Once again to quote from the most current discussions of our own government ministers

“We should not be facilitating employers who wish to employ international students on low pay where those jobs could in some cases otherwise be filled by Irish students or workers”

Why do you think the government would be concerned with addressing an issue you claim isn’t happening?

Confidently Incorrect Golden Girl.

You don’t reckon you need a driver’s license to deliver pizzas for domino’s?

Mostly used to be college students doing that job in my area 10 years ago.

I have never known any student to deliver anything, now or back when I was student or anytime since.

Retail, Hospitality or construction were always the areas.

How do you square the rise in migrant employment in areas such as retail and other lower wage work, which happens to coincide with a rise in youth unemployment?

Not a scooby.

Like I just linked to.

There is a job there for everyone that wants one.

The research found ongoing shortages reported in sectors including hospitality, healthcare, retail, industrial and warehousing. More than one-third of employers (36%) are now relying on temporary or short-term staffing solutions to fill critical gaps. Some 67% of businesses had problems recruiting staff in 2025, while 41% said they had lost staff over the past six months.

You have had several goes of trying to prove your thesis.

these migrants just undercut Irish low skilled workers and young people

You haven't offered one shred of tangible evidence to back up your claims.

In fact you have just pivoted to anecdotes, which is never really a good turn, is it?

Irish baby boomer approach blaming the young generations for a game stacked against them.

”There is a job there for anyone that wants one” nope, not according to the evidence I’ve linked to above. Youth unemployment is growing and many young people are finding it difficult to get jobs.

The evidence I require is that is the fault of migrants. Which is your claim.