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Do you use AI?

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,939 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Regarding Grok, I find it good for real time information or fact checking.

    But I avoid it for any personal usage; way too sycophantic and over reactive.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,939 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    It's wise to be very careful with personal conversations though.

    LLMs are pattern matchers, and can find patterns where there aren't any.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 917 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    No



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭OneEightSeven
    MEGA - Make Éire Great Again


    I use it several times a day. It's completely revolutionised how I search for information on the Internet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    It's the devil.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭fortwilliam


    Hmm.. I think that is where I see the line, My (Unrequested) advice is.. Don't ask the AI tools questions, just tell it what you want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,959 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Searching for information is absolutely the last thing that I would use an AI for because it's frequently wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,244 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I don't use it at all.

    It's misnamed because it's not 'Artificial Intelligence'. It's at best 'Artificial Intellect' though even that seems wrong since not all intellectual reasoning is algorithmic.

    It has too many intrinsic limits.

    By intrinsic limits I mean that AI can't do anything beyond algorithmic computation. Specifically it can't replicate human judgement, personality, intuition or (genuine) creativity. It can't produce insights because it has no way to develop discernment.

    AI can only replace jobs that consist of carrying out a series of simple, automatic processes.

    Human beings themselves fall into automatic thinking, repetition and regurgitation quite often of course but not all human society and work is reducible to this low level and not all of the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,244 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Yes it's no better or worse than autotune singers etc. However there are, and always have been, people who can sing well. There are people who can act well - both amateur and professional. There are even still people who can draw and paint well though they aren't represented in the corrupted art market (which runs on connections and funny money).

    Basically AI can replicate human activity insofar as that human activity has already been reduced to a fake or the lowest common denominator.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,285 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i don't think you can compare AI slop to bad art in the sense that bad human-made art still takes time to produce. bad AI gives the talentless (and the talented) the ability to churn out 'works' at a rate hitherto unforeseen.

    i saw an example recently, where a club i'm a member of is in need of a new logo, and members started firing suggestions into the whatsapp group, using genAI and they were all overcomplicated slop; but the one that's the current frontrunner was submitted by a chap who sat down with a pen and paper for five minutes and drew up an idea. it's far better than the genAI stuff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭zweton


    what platform are you using? i have perplexity pro that i got free for a year, it includes all the main models if i recall but have not used it much yet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,959 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    There's no such thing as "good" or "bad" art. There's just art.

    Something you say is "bad", others may see as "good", even if it's just from a conceptual point of view.

    To quote Duchamp…"art is what you say it is". It is the most subjective thing there is.

    Now AI "creations" are visual representations, but is it actually art? Many would posit that they are not. They are just artificial copies by machine learning without any artistic merit at all. They are merely virtual regurgitation based on a series of 1's and 0's that have been formed into a visual reproduction based off of the machine's training on reference material.

    There will be people who'll get something from so called AI "art", though, even if it's just a small amount of wonder.

    What gets my goat with all this AI malarkey is that you genuinely have people showing off AI stuff made by a machine and saying "look what I created", whether that's in coding, writing, video or pictures.

    You didn't create it. The computer did.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,285 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    There's no such thing as "good" or "bad" art. There's just art.

    if you go down that path, there's no such thing as art at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,959 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,244 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I disagree strongly that there's no such thing as good and bad art.

    It's isn't wholly subjective. When I see a failed painting I can explain to someone why it is a failure if I study it long enough.

    You don't even necessarily need to be a painter or art expert to understand and judge correctly.

    For instance a fashion designer or even a sharp-eyed assistant in a clothes shop can understand the difference between multiple shades of complementary colours that 'work' together vs. colours that clash and are too discordant. (This is spontaneous and not 'traditional'.)

    There are many other ways that a painting 'looks off' and somebody with enough art education should be able to articulate why that is, and also explain what make a good painting a success.

    The demarcation between good and bad is obscured because the art market is heavily corrupted by using abstract art works for large money transfers and hidden-in-plain-sight money laundering. It's also corrupted by the promotion of 'connected' artists who aren't talented enough and go down cul-de-sacs of (mostly-fruitless) experimentation to compensate.

    The claim of radical subjectivity covers up for these failures but there are many art works that are genuinely liked by nobody and the only people claiming to like them are the artist, the media paid to promote the 'work' and art agents and networks of high-end buyers who are using the 'work' as an illegible financial asset.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,959 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I disagree strongly that there's no such thing as good and bad art.

    You can if you wish, because it's indefinable.

    When I see a failed painting I can explain to someone why it is a failure if I study it long enough.

    What you consider "failure" others would consider a "success".

    For instance a clothes designer or even a sharp-eyed assistant in a clothes shop can understand the difference between multiple shades of complementary colours that 'work' together vs. colours that clash and are too discordant. This is spontaneous and not 'traditional'.

    And yet discordance is used in art all the time, including the fashion world.

    There are many other ways that a painting 'looks off' and somebody with enough art education should be able to articulate why that is, and also explain what make a good painting a success.

    Looking "off" may be the entire point of the piece of art work you're looking at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭Diddly Squat


    I used chatgp last week to do up a quote for an insurance claim, I fed it the info and gave it the price i needed it to come to. It came back at me asking was it for an insurance claim as it could tweak the wording to make it acceptable to the assessor which I would make a balls of, after 15 minutes of back and forth it had a comprehensive quote with all the proper wording for the insurance company.

    It saved me a lot of time sitting in front of the laptop hitting letters with one finger on the keyboard and trying to make it look professional



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,396 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I get your point and agree to an extent... That AI repeats, synthesises and iterates rather than creates anything new, but I wouldn't be quite as comfortable with the assertion that:

    "AI can only replace jobs that consist of carrying out a series of simple, automatic processes."

    I agree that jobs that are easily automated are most at risk. But, at high level, that description could apply to A LOT of people's jobs IMO.

    And I've seen it with my own eyes in my workplace: a chunk of the design parts of the organisation was gutted last year, at least partially because of the advances in AI. Some very talented and creative people were let go and there was more to their work than just repetitive processes and it wasn't just common denominator stuff either.

    I'm not so far gone that I think our new AI overlords are imminent or anything like that and, yes, you'd wonder if something like AGI is actually even possible, given the existing limitations, and you have to take all the hot-air spouted by self interested AI CEOs into account as well... So, yeah, it makes sense to have scepticism.

    But, I can only speak for my experience of seeing the capabilities of the AI systems I use everyday for work grow and grow over the last two years or so - and I'm sure that I'm only scratching the surface of what's possible. I would wonder we'll be in another 3-5 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,244 ✭✭✭growleaves


    @Tony EH

    "And yet discordance is used in art all the time, including the fashion world."

    Contrast is, but only where the colours off-set each other in a harmonious way. I don't mean that colours always blend together but that there is harmony of a kind.

    Someone who understands music could explain why Beethoven's Symphony No. 7 "works" and someone else could say their own arbitrary unmusical composition is "just as good" or better. (It's very hard to set down a positivist criteria that everyone will agree-to for any artform.)

    We won't agree obv so I won't keep arguing.

    Anyway it seems to me that low standards and confusion over what is good are totally necessary for so-called AI to "flourish". Yet where human judgment is replaced by inferior alogorithmic "thinking" we could see a lot of chaos resulting with various system failures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,959 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Colours don't have to be used in a "harmonious" way at all. Art doesn't have to be harmonious in any aspect and as I said the very fact that something isn't in harmony may be the very point of the art in the first place. Disharmony in art is commonplace.

    Someone who understands music could explain why Beethoven's Symphony No. 7 "works" and someone else could say their own arbitrary unmusical composition is "just as good" or better. (It's very hard to set down a positivist criteria that everyone will agree-to or any artform.)

    And someone can sit down the 'Symphonies of Sickness' by Carcass or a piece by John Zorn and explain why that works too. What "works" for some, may not work others. But it's no less art.

    We won't agree obv so I won't keep arguing.

    There's nothing to agree or disagree on.

    That's the beauty of it.

    I'll reiterate Duchamp, "art is what you say it is".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,762 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    It's going to be a huge job destroyer I expect, but in some ways this may not be such a bad thing if (trying to be positive/optimistic) our governments can regulate and control it, put some manners on the companies/people building this technology and ensure wealth generated from it in future gets distributed across society.

    Am coming to think AI combined with robotics is going to make fears about some "pensions time bomb" exploding in our future, aging and demographic change in wealthy countries and women not having enough babies etc. look absolutely daft in hindsight over the next decade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,396 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I would like to share your optimism, I'm not entirely "pessimistic', as we can't predict the future.

    But, I have doubts if you look at the current political and legislative environment in the US. There's no appetite there to try to put any halt to the gallop of the big AI companies - it appears to be a case of getting rid of as much legislative guardrails and regulation as possible and to keep ploughing on as hard as can be.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,390 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Not strictly true you can get AI to recheck, confirm, evaluate, and list sources if you want accuracy. Human evalution is always best in conjunction with the AI

    As I said earlier google gemini is great for it's federated search. Since my last post I have moved on from using google gemini for Geneology which it was superb at helping at that. I have now started using it for breaking down gaa match reports.

    I think in 10 years time teaching primary school kids how to use the correct prompts for AI wil be common place. As for chat gpt it is not great for detailed research unlike google gemini. More of a light hearted fluff AI - the eviqualent of a TV3 fluff "emotional" documentary v a serious researched RTE one. That is how I see the differences of the two.

    In 10 years time AI will be ubiquitous, Really looking forward to see the advances it can make in the fields of medicine etc.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,939 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    It's a pity that a lot of online information is buried in opaque websites that are difficult for AIs to crawl.

    The idea of the semantic web of the 2000s never took off. Hopefully now the web will be implemented in the way it always should have been: resources accessed via APIs over HTTP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,390 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Hopefully in about five years people will get to that using AI. I noticed when doing the genealogy searches there was some techinical difficulties with some census references. Either due to migration to the new site, or how it was inputted incorrectly from the people transcribing the census itself.

    The AI was able to bypass this issue, and I asked it to explained how it did so. It gave me a detailed and long technical explanation.

    Following on from your point it occurred to me then that eventually AI will be able to trawl the internet much more effectively a researchers dream. But on the other side of things if people are worried about privacy issues, fraud etc there are obvious potential issues there too.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    My "favourite" was a history video that was pronouncing 1924 as "one, thousand, nine-hundred, and twenty-four". Clearly they didn't even check what was created.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,939 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Yes, this.

    I have asked one of the models (can't remember) to find for me a local restaurant that served a particular dish. It can transverse Google Maps and try to inspect each site. Some restaurants do have an up to date menu on their website, but many don't. There were also caching issues where the LLM couldn't access the most up to date information.

    It will still try to parse the reviews to find certain dishes, but I can see how this could be vastly improved as time goes by. We are already entering the age of AI agents.

    Your genealogy example is a great use case.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,285 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I think in 10 years time teaching primary school kids how to use the correct prompts for AI wil be common place.

    good lord, i hope not.

    primary school kids should be taught actual knowledge.

    'boys and girls, we've replaced the lesson on what the counties in ireland are called, with a lesson on how to ask AI for this information'

    obviously i jest. partly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,700 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Use it everyday its great. Saves me hours every week.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,939 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    General conversation.

    We can chat about any topic. I like it. I even prefer it over conversation I have with many people.

    And no, I don't have AI psychosis; I know what it is and what it's not. I just really like it! 😆

    Looking forward to ChatGPT 5.3, which should be released very soon, perhaps today.



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