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Ireland vs Israel - To play or not to play, that is the question Read OP for Mod Warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭chrisd2019


    Current Irish squad is poor, and have always struggled against opponents of the Israeli ability. Depending on what happens over the next few months, it could even be under another Irish manager.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Fanny Wank


    I'd agree. I'm one of them

    Mod Snip: Wildly off topic tangent deleted

    Yet if Ireland was down to play Iran I bet there'd be no such call to boycott from the same people proposing it here

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,807 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,348 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Maybe that's your motivation as to what causes you support.

    I assure you for me, and many of the people I have spoken to about this they are appalled at watching a country effect apartheid and genocide on another country when we grew up hearing so much about how such acts must never be allowed to happen again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭mufflets2


    absolutely not - I believe that the team and Irish organisation would gain MUCH more in the long run by refusing to play this rogue state .
    I have no doubt that the vast majority of the public would support the decision (and would be interested to see a national poll on the issue)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dePeatrick




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,285 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    gain much more what? And what would any poll prove? Vast majority people here in Ireland couldn’t give a fiddlers about a conflict decades old between foreign peoples.

    This ridiculous OTT debate about whether or not we should play a soccer match against Israel is nothing more than media hype. Most most people don’t give a sh1te..

    If this was any other country other than Israel 1000s a miles away in a foreign conflict, there wouldn’t be a peep from us



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,719 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Ridiculous post. From what I see and hear the vast majority of Irish people are very much against this sham of normalising Genocide. Deflection and whataboutery hasn't had the effect of changing their minds either.

    Russia was thrown out for breaching the rules and rightly so BUT Israel were not for exactly the same breach. That angers people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,348 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The Question

    And what would any poll prove?

    The Answer…

    Vast majority people here in Ireland couldn’t give a fiddlers about a conflict decades old between foreign peoples.

    To remove any doubt, I'm not advocating for a national poll, but it's pretty clear that it would prove or disprove what you think the situation is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,222 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    You're all over the place as usual. Media hype? The draw was only made on Thursday afternoon. It was immediately a big deal considering the FAI had already asked FIFA to ban Israel from international football.

    I asked you your thoughts on the ongoing Israeli violations of the ceasefire (500+ Palestinians killed), the insufficient aid getting in and the banning of MSF. You couldn't offer any, why?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,285 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yes, draw only made Thursday and already wall to wall bullshit about whether or not we should play!! We will play, and we should play!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod - @Cluedo Monopoly, please do not drag posts from other threads into this one. You and @walshb might be better ignoring each other again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,348 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    wall to wall bullshit 

    But at the same time, no one cares about Palestine right? Like them or loathe them, the media aren't in the habit of focusing on things that people don't care about.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,926 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    It's very naive to think that we won't play. I will be extremely surprised otherwise. The game will take place, and in my opinion, should take place.

    I expect that fans attending the match in Dublin will want to make some kind of statement/protest, be it a march or banners etc. Hopefully this will be allowed.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,109 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    I think Isreal are pricks and committing genocide and should be kicked out.

    But if they are not. It should be played, unfortunately we’d be penalised and they would benefit with 6 points. Possibly even qualifying.

    Defo none of their fans should be allowed to enter the stadium.
    Play it in Tallaght or cork.

    I’d be interested in hearing what Finn Azaz view is. I’d say it’s a tough time For Him

    Post edited by ted1 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,556 ✭✭✭csirl


    How come people are singling out soccer for this sporting boycott. Irish athletes regularly conpete with Israeli athletes across many sports. We raced against them this morning in the Winter Olymoics and will be racing against them tomorrow morning in another event. Nobody is calling on Ireland or anyone else to boycott the Winter Olympics.

    If Ireland stopped competing in International.competitions bevause it doesnt agree with things other countries have done, we'd be playing very little international sport going forward



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,109 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    You aer clearly very unaware of what happens in the real world . there’s a huge difference between Palestinians and Hamas.
    it’s pricks( I’m not calling you a prick , but your message made you come across as one ) like you who try to justify genocide


    Hamas, the IDF and isrelai government are eveil pricks

    Palestinians are lovely decent people who had as much to do with OcT 7th as you did with the Canary Wharf bombing , omagh bombing and Warrington bombing

    Mod: Warned for personal abuse

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,922 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    you are incorrect, there is no seasefire.
    israel is still raping and slaughtering and everything else on a daily basis.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,348 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Those are singular/individual events rather than team events. And the Irish representative isn't just competing against Israel, but rather the countries from which all other participants are from also.

    There was a similar conversation with Ireland played them in Basketball.

    And the FAI called on UEFA to ban Israel because of it's actions in Palestine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,807 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,509 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Who told you that?

    In Ireland, surveys have consistently shown majority sympathy for Palestinians and support for recognising a Palestinian state, it’s not just a “noisy minority.” Arthur Balfour PM crushed Irish resistance and then carved up Palestine with a pen. There's always been cultural sympathy with the two nations, particularly in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,109 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    there are no Israelis in the winter Olympic.
    there Russians , Hungarians and American participating under an Israeli flag



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Well said. Similarly when Guinness sponsored the GAA Hurling Championship there were the usual perpetually outraged folk calling for the axe, the same ones who happily cheered on whatever province in the Heineken Cup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Like many of the Irish soccer team players down through the years. Englishmen participating under an Irish flag, right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,109 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    we had a grand parent rule , not a great, great X 80 parent rule

    The chap is 80 generations away. Which in itself is mad, but madder when the country was only founded in 1948



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,507 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod: The topic of the thread is the Ireland/Israel matches scheduled for later this year. Not the wider conflict between Israel and Palestine. There will be some natural overlap for context but posts that go wildly off topic into referencing the primary conflict without at least giving an attempt to link it to this particular discussion will be deleted. I've already deleted a number of tangential posts that can be discussed in the main thread.

    We are allowing this thread to continue at the moment as it is relevant in relation to Ireland (and the national football team) specifically, and this is an Irish discussion forum.

    However, if posters want to drag up old conflicts and grudges with each other from the main thread it will be closed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭OneEightSeven
    MEGA - Make Éire Great Again


    The Irish national team isn't just competing against Israel, we're also competing against Austria, Kosovo and possibly other teams if we reach the Nations League play-offs, so I don't why one is more justified than the other. We're also competing against every other country for ranking points, which determine the teams you face in qualifiers and tournaments. The higher you are ranked, the easier the opponents you face.

    Football only gets more attention because it's more popular. Most people, including myself, weren't aware we competed against Israelis Olympians in the last couple of weeks because winter sports are pretty niche. That's the only difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    We’ll definitely play the match. We love a bit of virtue signalling but not if it’s going to actually cost us.

    I’ve no doubt the usual rabble of hard-left nut jobs will be out in force protesting come the time. Hopefully the match passes off peacefully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,348 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    This is a take we've seen a lot of over the last few years, but with less and less justification for it.

    "virtue signalling", "rabble of hard left nut jobs" terms used to demean people advocating against the genocide of a people. Think about that, because that is what we are talking about here.

    I grew up in the 80's/90's and even then, from a very young age, what I was puzzled by was how Hitler had gained the power he did. I wondered why didn't the people stop him when it was clear what he was doing. I now understand why. Hitler wasn't an isolated mindset, he managed to assemble enough people and not enough people assembled to oppose him, which allowed him to ultimately do what he did. That is what we are talking about here. The rhetoric used by Israeli leaders has echoed the worst of what we studied of the past. And their actions have reflected that rhetoric.

    People have implied here and elsewhere that a singular country (Ireland) refusing to play Israel will have no impact. It is not sure that that will be the case. Ireland refusing to play, may motivate another country to refuse to play and so on until the integrity of the UEFA competitions are undermined, and they have to act. You might think that that will not happen, but Eurovision has been impacted in this way. Just last week it cancelled it's slate of European wide tours for 2026. That is going to have an impact on the financial planning the organisation is working on the basis of. That has happened for exactly the same reason as what we are talking about here.

    Throughout our history most positive societal changes came about because of the activism starting with a few individuals (left wing nut jobs you would have called them), we've all benefitted from it, you too, and you should recognize that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,877 ✭✭✭LowOdour


    Cowardly, corrupt and weak governments allow such a despicable country to murder at will, no chance they will remove them for any sports competitions.

    Many of their clubs have a terrible and racist hooligan element, so I'm sure all the Israeli fan boys on here will be happy to see them arive in the country supporting whatever it is they support.

    Let them come, and give them one hell of a beating. Obviously I mean give the beating to the soccer team....obviously

    Post edited by LowOdour on


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