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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Edited to remove.

    Mod - warned for breach of forum charter

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    France and Germany humiliate themselves again. They do as they are told and will not tolerate anyone who names the genocide that is happening in Palestine. I have some understanding of Germany's position given that they have shown in the past that they are up for committing genocide and are building their army up again. They are now following the just lie and lie approach.

    The United Nations has defended its Special Rapporteur on Palestinian rights, Francesca Albanese, after several European governments demanded her resignation over remarks about Israel that she denies making.

    A spokesperson for the UN human rights office warned that the controversy reflects a broader pattern of pressure on independent investigators.

    “We are very worried. We are concerned that U.N. officials, independent experts and judicial officials, are increasingly subjected to personal attacks, threats and misinformation that distracts from the serious human rights issues,” UN human rights office spokesperson Marta Hurtado told reporters.

    The statement followed criticism by Germany, France, Italy and the Czech Republic, whose officials claimed Albanese described Israel as a “common enemy of humanity.”

    However, a transcript of her February 7 remarks in Doha reviewed by Reuters did not contain such wording.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Out of interest, what "anti-semitism problem" is there in Ireland?

    I'm not aware of any systemic or widespread hatred of Jews by Irish people. And personally, I don't know anyone who hates Jews or expresses such hatred.

    Of course, a reader of Israel's media about Ireland would be led to believe we're all stark raving antisemites. But that would be the case for other countries too of course (Australia for example).

    Post edited by dmcdona on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,626 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The fact that critics have to keep going back to Dev's visit to the German ambassador in May 1945 would suggest that Ireland is 'not' an anti-Semitic place (and ironically, De Valera had some prominent Jewish friends and was a big admirer of the Jewish faith).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,642 ✭✭✭votecounts


    Being against genocide is not antisemitism. Try harder



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,357 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Hopefully this game will be held abroad and behind closed doors as I fear some idiots will embarrass us. But some blame must go to the likes of Michael Martin and official Ireland whose grandstanding has set the mood music for febrile discourse on Israel.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    its a bit much to blame the Irish public's reaction to Israel's action in Gaza on MM. He visited Israel just after the October attack and was quite restrained in any criticism of them. it's Israel who escalated the issue with Ireland by withdrawing their ambassador, our government politicians did not retaliate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    odd that you think the Irish fans are the ones who would do something g to "embarrass us". You should look up the typical chants of Maccabi Tel-Aviv. That would be embarrassing to most countries - but I've not heard Israel ever apologise for their fans.

    As for Irish politicians somehow being responsible for Israel's hostility to Ireland - that's a remarkable statement.

    Do you really believe that a politician cannot express condemnation for the brutal murders of tens of thousands of innocent civilians for fear that their criticism may make their constituents the target of the perpetrator?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,357 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    I'm not against criticism of Israel or the actions of their current government. But there's an extra bit of venom that seems reserved for Israel alone that makes me uncomfortable.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    serious question - what is this "extra bit of venom" that makes you uncomfortable?

    And in the wider world, do you believe only Israel is currently the only country being lambasted (bearing in mind this thread is per its title)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭Roman Emperor


    A finding of genocide by the ICJ would do nothing more than confirm what everyone already knows.

    If Netanyahu's plane landed in any western ICJ signatory country you can be absolutely certain the unfortunate country would be scrambling furiously to find a face saving exit for the Zionist butcher.

    Say, for example, Netanyahu's plane was forced to land at Shannon - what would the next step be.

    Arrest the butcher and lodge him in Mountjoy ?

    Remember, the Tel Aviv regime has launched unprovoked attacks on several Mid-East countries.

    The criminal Zionist regime could deploy a handful of it's super-duper 2000lb American bombs against Dublin in the morning and there's not a thing we could do about it - and no one else would lift a finger either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Not only Israel but after the US placed crippling sanctions on Ireland, the US also has The Hague invasion act to protect it and its Allies.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    A finding of Genocide by the ICJ would do a lot more than that. It's a legal finding, recorded in history for perpetuity.

    Whenever people talk about Germany, how long does it take for WWII to be mentioned, followed by Holocaust/Auschwitz/Nazis/Jews to be mentioned?

    As for Israel bombing Dublin with their thermobarics, they wouldn't do it. They're not stupid. I'm not even sure they could do it. They'd be flying over a fair bit of EU airspace and the UK.

    "All of the 124 member states of the ICC are obliged by their agreements to the courts founding statute to arrest and hand over any individual with an active ICC arrest warrant, if they are identified in their territory. The ICC does not have a way of directly implementing an arrest, with no authority over any police force. The ICC can sanction a non-cooperative member state."

    Many have stated they will execute ICC warrants (for any alleged criminal at large from the ICC, and especially Gallant and Netanyahu). Note - Netanyahu did not attend the Auschwitz memorial last year after many in Poland said he'd be arrested.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    This is the reality in Israel.

    A Palestinian paramedic from Gaza has died while in Israeli detention amid reports of torture and medical negligence.

    Hatem Ismail Rayyan, a 59-year-old paramedic, was pronounced dead at the Negev prison, a press statement from the Commission of Detainees’ Affairs and the Palestinian Prisoners Society announced on Thursday evening.

    Rayyan was detained by Israeli forces on 27 December 2024 from the premises of Gaza’s Kamal Adwan Hospital in Beit Lahia, alongside his injured son Moaz Rayyan who remains in Israeli detention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,719 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    All decent Irishmen and women would vote to boycott the Israeli games. We should normalise genocide, land-grabbing and war crimes. There are some things more important than sport i e children's lives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,626 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Keep in mind that they have been hugely critical of us in return and are largely responsible for the 'most anti-Semitic country in Europe' nonsense (bonkers when you see the actual cases of rampant anti-Semitism across all of Europe for the last century).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,719 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Those games against the Genociders won't happen BB, just wait and see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    I didn’t know about American Service-Members' Protection Act of 2002 (ASPA).

    Enacted in 2002 under GW Bush. Trump can send in military, missiles, seal team, black ops, whoever he wants. He doesn’t need any authorisation. He can invade The Hague to free US or allied personnel detained by ICC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    When a country blocks public peaceful protests, it’s no longer a democracy. I have faith in the British people to never surrender. 


    BBC
    ‘Palestine Action ban ruled unlawful but group remains proscribed for now’
    Dominic Casciani
    , Home and Legal Correspondent
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3wleezq73no

    “The High Court said that when the former home secretary Yvette Cooper decided to ban the organisation last June, she had failed to take into account what impact that decision would have on the right to protest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    The statement followed criticism by Germany, France, Italy and the Czech Republic, whose officials claimed Albanese described Israel as a “common enemy of humanity.”

    However, a transcript of her February 7 remarks in Doha reviewed by Reuters did not contain such wording.

    People should provide supporting evidence for their outrageous claims. Otherwise they are disseminating propaganda.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    really? How do you come to that conclusion? Feel free to quote any post from me that illustrates my hatred of Jews.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,626 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    One dodgy French minister made disparaging and inaccurate remarks about Albanese and then elements in the pro-Zionist press (including the Daily Telegraph) tried to escalate this non-story and to get her sacked : these pro-Israel types in the media are a menace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,960 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Russia is under sanctions, Iran is under Sanctions, North Korea is under sanctions, Israel is in the Eurovision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    No wonder alleged war criminal #1 (at large) has refused an independent enquiry for the last 2 years.


    Haaretz:

    Five former chiefs of the Shin Bet security service, along with 31 other top agency officials, said that Netanyahu was "the person primarily responsible" for Israel's failure on October 7 and accused him of deliberately discrediting the agency.

    The ex-officials also demanded that current Shin Bet chief David Zini deny Netanyahu's allegations of treason within the agency, saying the PM had unleashed "unprecedented attacks" on senior and junior employees alike who served on October 7.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,719 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    The more trouble there is among that shower the better. Great to have them at each other's throats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Things have been getting very tetchy of late. Looks like Trump is not giving them what they want as regards Iran either.

    Arab Israelis are up in arms about the police not dealing with crime, especially murders. Clear indication of an apartheid regime in play - Israel happy to allow wanton murder amongst Israeli Arabs but let the Settlers slash, burn, steal and murder away. Settlers also now using bulldozers to demolish Palestinian homes in the WB.

    Economy is tanking and Israelis are leaving in their tens of thousands (notably the highly educated ones).

    I wouldn't be surprised if there's fist fights in the Knesset.

    And of course, the ICC and ICJ continue to loom large.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,719 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Yes indeed, And Bibi pleaded with Trump to try to get more concessions fro his talks with Iran -

    https://www.rte.ie/news/us/2026/0211/1557818-netanyahu-trump-meeting/

    It seems Bibi is also very worried by Iran's ballistic missiles too. Maybe as said earlier in the thread the Iron Dome is not as good as proclaimed and Tel Aviv was wrecked by their missiles -

    '' Israel fears that the US might pursue a ‌narrow nuclear deal that does not include restrictions on Iran's ballistic missile program''.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    Strazdas, Francesca is fearless - undeterred by death threats; and recent EU fake news and propaganda with an edited video trying to discredit her...

    Film producer Frank Barat said they are trying to silence Francesca because she’s been persistently showing that “every western government has been aiding and abetting the genocide in Gaza and not fulfilling their most basic duties under international law”.

    He mentioned an ALTERNATE AGENDA at play with the goal to distract from the ongoing genocide in Gaza: more than 500 Palestinians killed since so-called ceasefire. And Israeli far right minister Bezalel Smotrich announcing EI plan for West Bank is intended to “bury the idea of a Palestinian state”. [reported by BBC News, The Guardian ...)

    The ‘Death Penalty for Terrorists Law’ (Penal Law Amendment No. 159): Knesset is advancing legislation for the death penalty to apply to Palestinian prisoners convicted of killing Israelis. Frank Barat says this law won’t apply to Israeli citizens.

    PM Benjamin Netanyahu’s ICC arrest warrant, on reasonable grounds, for war crimes and crimes against humanity (and investigations are continuing - de-facto annexation)

    Frank Barat said part of the alternate agenda in the EU campaign calling for international human rights lawyer Francesca to resign, is to scare us into silence. Like that will work !! At this time, the world knows what’s going on here.


    ‘The attacks on FRANCESCA ALBANESE are to distract us from the Genocide in GAZA’
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Barat

    ………….

    PUBLIC INTEREST

    Amnesty International 3 February 2026
    ‘Israel/OPT: Knesset must drop discriminatory death penalty bills that would further entrench Israel’s system of apartheid"
    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2026/02/knesset-must-drop-death-penalty-bills-that-would-further-entrench-israels-apartheid/

    “The death penalty would apply to defendants convicted of intentionally killing a person with the purpose of harming an Israeli citizen or resident, or to those convicted by military courts of causing death in circumstances defined under Israeli law as “acts of terrorism,” a provision that would primarily affect Palestinian defendants. In some cases, the death penalty would be mandatory or imposed without the right to appeal.”

    ⬆️ Starry: This is restricting judicial discretion and removing ability to commute sentences.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    British Museum erasing the name "Palestine" following complaints. Likely from the usual pro Israel groups.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    it’s these guys again

    The campaign group UK Lawyers for Israel (UKLFI)



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