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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭mvt


    Not quite true.

    The less educated love Trump even though he hates them but knows he can manipulate them to do his bidding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,543 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "Seems like hounding to me"

    You posted one example which you believes proved your point. Where is the evidence that Trump supports (plural) are being hounded off Boards?

    And by the way... Being called a traitor is too harsh a criticism? For supporting a fascist, sexual abuser, racist, bigoted conman? I didn't see the exchange, but think that's fairly mild to be honest.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,356 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    "Will leave them with friends who are tied to them solely because of a lack of alternatives."

    They aren't interested in friends; they are only interested in business partners. US now sees itself as a monoploy, or perhaps a duopoly with China as the other power, but they want to turn it into a monopoly. They don't care why people trade with them, just that they do and they do it on their terms.

    Friendship was always a notion rather than a policy, but before Trump, it was one that the US at least paid some attention to. Under Trump 1, and most definitely under Trump 2, the notion has been dispensed with, and the clear choice for other countries is to deal with the US or not.

    Trump, and it seems 50% of the voters, believe that the US has been getting taken advantage of by the rest of the world and they no longer need to play nice. 'You are either with us or against us". Trump has taken that message and used it for everything. Trade, military, justice everything.

    So lack of friends isn't a problem for them as they have everything they need. Does a mafia boss care if the local businesses are his friends? No, once they keep paying. That is what the US is like these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,215 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I think it is utterly true. The US political system has been broken for decades. It's a money/lobby game for a long time. It is utterly dysfunctional. It only serves private interests now. And yet the voters still vote Dems/Rep over and over and over. Insanity is doing the same thing etc etc. The existing 2 party "system" is a nonsense. The people need to stop the rot and vote for other parties or new parties.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,169 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    The head of the DoJ's Anti-Trust division has announced their leaving the role.
    A week after their deputy has done the same.
    If the usual Trump Admin playbook follows?
    They will be replaced by an "acting" AAG, allowing the most consequential mergers for Media in recent history to be ushered through unhindered.

    When this abomination of an administration ends?
    The Judicial and legislative actions needed to unwind the lunacy allowed across all aspects of the actions taken, via EO and a cowed Congress?
    Will make make the 24yrs between the Sherman Anti Trust act and the creation of the FTC seem like a quiet couple of weeks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,215 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Do you know what 'traitor' means? You didn't see the exchange but replied to me anyway?

    You asked me for an example, I provided it. Are you saying there are no other Trump supporters on the thread?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,375 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Exactly. You can see the narrative here and elsewhere that the solution is to get the Democrats in. The Democrats are beneficiaries of this system. They have no interest in reforming or changing it because of this.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,266 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's overly simplistic and completely ignores any complexity. But worst of all it offloads the actions of the guilty onto the shoulders of the innocent.

    Your example above only shows how rigged the political game can be. You cannot blame the innocent party for that.

    No, people do not always deserve the government they get. Especially when the people who are voted into power are done so in good faith by the majority, but who later turn out to be everything but what they claimed to be before they got into power.

    There's a case to be made that the US currently deserves Donald Trump because he was given a go previously and made a balls of it. But that's an edge case that doesn't translate into the norm.

    You say that "The people need to stop the rot and vote for other parties or new parties.", but what are the alternatives? The fucking Libertarians? They're just a much worse version of the Republicans.

    The fact is that nothing short of a revolution in the US is going to change the ways things are done over there politically…and that's a huge ask.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,215 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    A republic, if you can keep it” - certain geezer called B. Franklin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,375 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I struggle to see it as a republic. It looks more like the Most Serene Republic of Venice to me than an actual republic. It's dominated by corporations and oligarchs and nobody has an inclination to question this despite their tubthumping about the first amendment.

    It's just mad that everyone just accepts that in a cosmopolitan country of almost 350 million people, the head of state should be decided by which of two elderly men two parties put forward. That's it. In Ireland, there's real choice. In the US, its fascism or the current system.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,215 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I said other parties or new parties, no need to get snipey. I would prefer to see new parties. It's not really a comparison but I voted FG for 20 years and then I saw how rigged that power swap had become. So now I vote Left or Independent. Other like me are doing the same and FFG are losing their monopoly on power. In the last 3 elections I voted Independent (Catherine Connolly) #1 and Social Democrats #2 (a relatively new party). They are not perfect but I find their TDs more honest.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,210 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Remember it was reported that airspace around El Paso was suddenly closed?

    20260213_111411.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭Economics101


    A lot of attacking the American Political system, and of course having a go at the Democrats. A bit of a distraction from the main problem: MAGA and its leader. If you need further proof, here it is:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/12/trump-racist-video-staffer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I'm not getting "snipey", but the fact of the matter is that there is often a lack of choice, you said it yourself. And saying that people deserve to be governed by bad actors is simply untrue, because the vast majority of people vote with the hope of improvement. This is especially the case in the modern political world where the majority of political machinations happen behind closed doors and and by shadowy organisations who are the real drivers of policy. Few UK voters would have been aware of the likes of Tufton Street think tanks and the majority of US voters haven't a clue about the Heritage Foundation.

    You say you want to see new parties. But those parties have to actually exist before people can make a choice and it's often the case that they just don't or are in fact, just an offshoot of existing parties following the same political path.

    Blaming the people for politicians that turn out to be catastrophic is simply wrong. De Maistre's adage is just far too simplistic and fails to take into account any kind of smokescreens that politics creates. It's become a weaponised platitude that's often used against the electorate and allows bad politicians to escape the consequences of their actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,182 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    How is 42% almost the same as half especially when talking about a population the size of America ?

    Really .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,215 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Bernie Sanders, a man I admire, has been criticising the American political system for many years. He is Independent but aligned to the Democrats. It is completely dysfunctional.

    I do think Biden wanted to stop the genocide in Gaza but couldn't because of (a) the Jewish lobby and (b) the Arms Industry lobby.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,706 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,182 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,182 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I linked from PEW Research Center . Is that Rasmussen , don't know ?

    Lot of sound bites from other sources except this one

    Really good article going into more detail .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭aero2k


    I know this is the Trump thread so talk of Boris might appear OT, but there is a parallel. I recently read Rory Stewart's book, Politics on the Edge (a gift from a dyed in the wool Labour supporter and a very worthwhile read). He describes how the people who voted for Boris as leader knew he was a liar, but they somehow thought he'd only lie to others and not to them. It struck me that there might be a bit of that going on with Trump voters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,182 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Another example of the US going backwards under Trump .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,796 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The further backwards Trump and MAGA drag America the better for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭OrangeNinja


    Easier said than done. Unfortunately if America and American policy hadn't such a massive hold on the world i'd be laughing out loud at the state of affairs in the US. They are just an incredibly dumb people for letting this eejit in twice and it's a pity everyone else has to suffer the consequences of their stupidity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭Paulzx


    Yeah. I've read some stuff on Boris as PM including that book. The comparison with Trump is definitely valid. Boris had absolutely no policies of his own. If an aide or MP came into his office and said all widgets should be blue he agreed with them and said make it happen. Two mins later another aide or MP would come into his office and say i think all widgets should be pink and he'd agree and say make it happen.

    He was incapable of saying no to anyone or actually coming up with an original policy thought. Subsequently there was constant flip flopping and policy reversals and the whole government was chaotic with no cohesive direction

    Sound familiar?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,356 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    They aren't going backwards, but are working hard to stop the rest of the world from moving ahead.

    China is embracing renewables because they do not have oil or gas resources. So coming up with a reliable alternative is in their interests. I doubt climate change is the core point.

    The US, on the other hand, not only has plenty of fossil fuels, but it also controls much of the world's supply, and all that supply is traded in US$. They won't have that control over renewables. SO they need to work hard to try to convince the rest of the world not to worry about Climate change, as if they don't, then the reason to move away from oil/gas is greatly reduced.

    The problem the US faces is that both China and now the EU have interests in moving away from Oil/Gas. I actually believe that the EU partly wants it because of climate change, but also knows it cannot continue to rely on Russian gas, which the US has been very keen to point out. The US wants the EU to simply switch to US gas, but the EU can see that long-term, the solution is to at least maximise what impact renewables can have and thus reduce reliance.

    And this is probably the biggest issue that Trump has created. Prior to Trump, while many had issues with the US, they were generally seen as a reliable partner. That is no longer the case. And the EU will now need to start developing its own capabilities across a host of areas. It was already mentioned how an alternative to VISA/Mastercard needs to be developed, the same with social media



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,594 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    What I find so inane, particularly in the U.S. with the GOP, is that voters have such a short memory and put them back in power when they were the party that left them worse off due to previous tax changes and budget cuts that favored the wealthy to their detriment and flock to them when again they promise to do them same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Listening to a liveline segment from yesterday and a Dutch guy who was in the El Paso concentration who has now been deported was on. He's lived in the US since he was five and is in his forties. His daughter died last year from fentanyl exposure. He was a permanent green card holder and has been traveling to Holland on and off. He was deported for a juvenile drug conviction... Poor guy was literally crying cause he might never see his daughter's grave again. His remaining family are leaving the US.

    He described conditions as a concentration camp. The guards were doing bets on who would kill themselves over Christmas ..

    https://nltimes.nl/2026/02/11/dutchman-deported-living-us-40-years-spent-months-ice-detention



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,594 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Far as I recall didn`t his Dept of War not carry out some exercise in California test firing live ammo over a highway where cars, including some from Vance`s own cavalcade, were damaged by shrapnel.



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