Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

You lose hearts and minds by sending her n her family back to south Africa. Is that hearts and minds of the refugee industry or the general population?

we had plenty of bleeding hearts out protesting Pamela izambekei in Sligo years ago. She was rightly deported and asylum numbers then were a pittance of what they are nowadays.

If a task is relatively unskilled and you have a fairly liberal immigration policy, then you will have lots of people chasing these low skilled jobs and wages will therefore come down

Ireland at the minute have acute shortages in all industries that would be considered traditionally low paying with the country at what is called "full employment".

The jobs are indeed essential, the fact that they are low paid is not any workers fault, whether they be Irish or European.

Blaming immigration for rates of pay is a nice little soundbite for those who want to hear it, it never lives up to scrutiny though.

Someone earing the average Salary of 50k is a net beneficiery of governmnet expendidutere you know. That is the way the system works. Most poeple jobs dont cover their average drain on resources.

Yes, you did misunderstand, I'm afraid. You are making out that I am putting the blame on migrant workers themselves rather than policy.

The general population — which matters because it's the general population who decide to give their votes to politicians who will take either tougher or more permissive stances on immigration. That generally means winning over middle ground voters who think immigration should be more strictly regulated but who don't necessarily share the same levels of alarmism that some on here might have or who don't necessarily feel that cases like this are what they had in mind when talking about booting out chancers, scroungers, criminals or layabouts. You may find these middle grounders to be overly timid, even snowflakey types, but you need them if you want a lasting policy.

The Pamela Izambekei case involved forgery of documents and some pretty egregious lies about a non-existent daughter who had allegedly died in Nigeria as a result of FGM. These are fairly serious levels of deception which were sufficient to be deemed as a totally outright fabrication of a risk to safety. If the State has evidence that such egregious lying was at play in the current case, they should state that. But a simple mismatch of the applicant's perception of risk and what the State determines to be the threshold level of risk for protection is not on a par with outright fabrication.

I'm reading the man in the US has a turbulent history here in terms of vandalism, drunk & disorderly and drug-related crime. Might give some clarity on the bigger picture.

Link?

According to the reports I read he has no criminal record, It would be first thing ICE would have brought up when they gave comment on him.

Of course, policy in Ireland. We have very high rates of inward migration. Is it your view that this does not create downward pressure on wages?

Why bother with borders or rules at all, if being liked is the only criteria for remaining?

Could you link to it and we can all know what you are talking about?

Provide proof that Ireland has this shortage in unskilled areas. Plenty of people out there applying for minimum wage jobs and cannot get them. These are Irish people. There is no shortage of people who would be willing to work for minimum wage.

There are lots of college kids who finished their degree and cannot get a job despite applying for many roles.

The across-the-board pearl clutching regarding Jim Radcliffe's comments are proof that this is just the way things are now in the UK (& elsewhere) whether anyone likes it or not. Any commentary or show of beliefs outside of "everything is awesome" will be shot down entirely.

I can totally understand when somebody comes out with the "nobody voted for this".

I don't think I'm naive to say I believe immigration was central to Brexit being voted for. The leave vote was a cry to stop what was the status quo in the UK, in every aspect of life. They wanted something else. It seems like politicians have dismissed this vote ever since and have double down on pre-Brexit policies.

But they are also Irish citizens and the responsibility of our government, not random people that are surplus to requirements

Anything to say on the actual substance of what they said i.e. the fact this person has no actual right to be here hence deportation?

Or just grievance over how they framed their point?