US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

Well then, I am glad we can agree that the death tolls are unverified. I believe that a high death toll was prompted to encourage US intervention. What do you believe motivated unverified reports of high death tolls?

I welcome your honesty Mark, thank you.
Well i don’t consider it victory, but we now agree that the death toll figures were unverified and possibly deliberately inflated to political motivations and that Masha was not executed.
It’s of no importance to me and of no consolation to the many thousands of people killed by the Iranian regime but it is the truth.

So your goal here is to win internet points and downplay the atrocities carried out by the Iranian regime by hiding behind the fact that it's hard to 100% verify what it's happening.

Say we split the difference and only 18,000 people were murdered, does that make it OK?
Would you claim that to be a victory?

I think you have completely missed the point Mark and are the one trying to salvage an argument.

Not at all.

Let's go back to basic facts.

At least 3,100, as confirmed by the regime.
Up to 36,000 deaths, according to various human rights groups.

Regardless, this will go down as one of the most violent massacres of the 21st century, perpetuated by a regime you seem to defend, given your words.

The point you have missed Mark, is the faux concern about the killing of civilians in Iran by the very same people who defended the killing of civilians for 2 years in Gaza.
The point you have missed Mark, is that the very people who questioned and downplayed the number of people killed in Gaza, calling the death toll inflated, unverified and propaganda are now the very same people who are arguing that an unverified death toll in Iran is the worst, or as you bizarrely put it, the “most violent massacre of the 21st century”.

You defend a regime that is nitpicking and making wild claims on who is a civilian or a fighter in Gaza. You must recognise that others poster can see the hypocrisy in your posts here?

I think the point is that this counter argument has run its course. The UN agencies have accepted these figues as accurate, even the IDF have now. no one likes that the Palestinian Health Ministry in Gaza is run by Hamas but it appears their numbers now are accepted by most people as being credible.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-believes-70000-gazans-killed-in-war-as-claimed-by-hamas/

You still don't get it, do you?

You reject unverified reports from human rights organisations in Iran, while you accepted without question unverified reports from a terrorist group in another conflict.

The poster is only accepted numbers that are also accepted by the UN and IDF. Perhaps the Iranians numbers are accepted by similar authorities, I don't know?

Were the numbers from Hamas accepted without question before they were verified by anyone else. Yes, they were, but in the case of Iran they were not.

Look I get it, anti-Americanism must trump the day (pardon the pun).

I have even seen someone engaging in the semantic distinction between "executed" and "killed" and between a single hair showing and a head uncovered, in a desperate attempt to defend and support the genocidal oppression of women by the Iranian regime.

I’m sorry JohnDoe if you don’t like your BS claims being called out.
You made a claim that was false. It’s that simple.

Masha Amini died in hospital after having been beaten by police following arrest for improperly wearing a hijab.

Those are the facts.

You claimed the Iranian regime executed women for showing a single hair.

If you regarded women, children and disabled people who die following beatings at the hands of Israeli forces as having been executed by the Israeli government then perhaps you hold all governments to the same standard and are not a hypocrite.

So, do you regard those killed following being beaten by Israeli forces as having been executed by Israel?
Please don’t avoid the question.

My goodness JohnDoe. I have criticised Iran. I have said that it is a brutal, repressive regime that has murdered civilians.
You made a claim that is not true. No human rights organisation claims the Iranian state executed Masha Amini.
You talk about semantics and then describe someone dying in hospital following being beaten by police as an execution.

The thread title is about an illegal attack on Iran by Israel. Contravening international law. You won’t condemn that. I condemn the brutality and illegality perpetrated by Iran but it is you who avoid any criticism of Israel for the deaths of innocent people in Israeli custody, whether they were raped to death and the Israeli soldiers became celebrities or Down syndrome Palestinians being savaged to death by Israeli combat dogs you won’t condemn it.
You are a hypocrite, plain and simple.
You don’t give a damn about the people of Iran or the people of Palestine. Your only concern is that Iran is attacked removed as a threat to Israel.

Do you condemn the Israeli execution of Mohammad Bhar?