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My daughter was dismissed

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 MaryBB


    No most leave after a few weeks due to ill treatment. The only staff there over 12 months are the ones in the big jobs there for donkeys years. I feel you are right though that he knew it was coming up to 12 months and thats why he chose now to get rid of her. He tends to take on youngsters and they come and go half the time nobody knows why they are no longer there!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,272 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    she obviously did something wrong in his eyes, I would email and ask for feedback from the point of view of being a young person and looking to learn and grow.


    unless he is a moron he won’t give any reason because it could be used legally as part of an unfair dismissal claim, which is a dangerous thing to do in her behalf as those records are searchable and could Come against her later


    butnits worth asking in case there is a behaviour she should change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,431 ✭✭✭Buffman


    Ye, I know exactly the type of employer, will take on younger people at min wage and treat them poorly in the hopes they'll leave before they gain any legal rights, then rinse and repeat.

    They'll have an excel spreadsheet or calender set up to remind them to dismiss any employee who stays the course and is approaching the 12 months to get rid of them before then as employer knows there's pretty much zero comeback. You can tell from the wording of that letter it's not the first time it was used.

    TBH it sounds like your daughter is far better off being out of such an environment.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 MaryBB


    I think you are right he got rid of her before she had full employment rights. An absolutely disgusting thing to do but I'm not surprised the way he treats people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,717 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    What "employment record"??? There's no central registry her next employer can check and go "Oh no, she received a letter of dismissal, I'm not hiring her". They will have absolutely no way of knowing the circumstances of her departure.

    I think you need a bit of perspective here - it's a part-time college job, I'm guessing in retail or hospitality, for a guy who's apparently well known for being a dick. Her long-term employment prospects are an absolute non-issue here.

    Have you a tendency to catastrophise in general? She's 19, she should be well able to handle this from a resilience perspective.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 MaryBB


    I am worried that on her CV it will say she was working there for almost a year yet he isn't one of her referees. Also I'm enraged by the way he treated her and the fact that this seems to be how he treats people and because of his family name and his money he gets away with it. Probably not a big thing but she's been through a lot and is another set back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Orban6


    She's 19. It was a part time job, not a career. She'll get over it. It seem to bothering you more than her.

    Now time for you to get over it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Orban6


    It's really not the end of the world.

    What do you actually think you can do about it? Nothing.

    She doesn't need you to sort out her problems at 19.

    You and her should move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,422 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    she will be very upset about this, and rightfully so, but its best not to dwell, its really not worth the effort trying to gain justice from this, as it wont be achieved, only more stress will be, its best to just move on, allowing her to learn the valuable lessons



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    You have an extreme fixation on a reference when for years now, references have been downgraded to nothing more than a confirmation on the part of the previous employer that a person worked for them between specified dates.

    The era of someone providing anything more? Has long ended. The risk placed on the referee is onerous and isn't something anybody engages anymore.

    Your daughter has encountered a poor experience and a poor employer. Don't compound that for her by charging windmills.
    The fact that her part time job ended?
    Doesn't matter to any future employer, what will matter more are how she gets on at interview, what qualifications she gains in Uni and how she can parlay that experience into skills.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 MaryBB


    Thank you, I am angry right now. Its not nice to see your child upset no matter their age. I am being positive for her but I am still seething at him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,908 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    You are taking this way too personally. This mans actions dont define who your daughter is, they wont define her long term future. Unless im missing something, this a part time college job, presumably unrelated to her field of study

    If you are reacting this way to what is essentially a minor setback you are setting a poor example for how to react to things not going your way. Sure, this guy is an asshole, but there are assholes everywhere. And people get laid off all the time for all sorts of reasons, sometimes personal and sometimes not, **** happens

    You need to move on, your dedicating way to much headspace to this guy. Direct your energy into helping get her a new job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,019 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Your daughter has every right to be angry. And the best thing she can do with that anger is to ask her TD to lobby for the no-fault-dismissal timeframe to be be lowered. What has happened is not nice, but it's not illegal either. The employer is not "getting away" with anything, he just has an operating model which you don't like.

    You need to separate your identify from your daughter: it's her job, and her issue to manage and be angry about. Yours now is to support her in identifying the resources she needs can use in her adult life. These include the fact that she writes her CV, and so it does not need to include this job.

    Angry momma-bears who charge in and do stuff, instead of hepling kids figure it out, are damaging long term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 MaryBB


    I am, but I hate the people like him get away with behaviour like this its sickening. I suppose I'm worried about her mental health as she's going through a lot so yes im angry at the a******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,422 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    it would be best for her mental well being, to simply forget about this employer, and move on, getting bogged down in this will do far more harm for her mental health, its a sh1te experience, but thats just what it is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 MaryBB


    Im Not charging off and doing anything, I'm not displaying my anger in front of her I'm channelling it here. I know in my head there's nothing that can be done and that a year from now we will laugh at this but she's had a tough time of it lately and I needed somewhere to vent! My heart is hurting for everything that has happened and I suppose this is the last straw but I am 100% supporting and helping her, she will learn anf grow i know this deep down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    If you really want a reference maybe she could arrange for someone else who worked there to do it, not the boss. Somebody who she got on with.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,264 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    My kids have had part-time jobs that they were let go from because the hours weren't there. She's a teenager in college. No employer is going to question how or why she left a part-time job. That's what teenagers do.

    Also, if yet man is well known for his reputation, then any prospective employer is probably going to be impressed she stuck it out there for almost a year.

    This will not affect her future employment chances in any way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭MadeInKerry




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 824 ✭✭✭kathleen37


    Worth reading through here regarding dismissal procedures - horrible man

    https://www.workplacerelations.ie/en/what_you_should_know/ending%20the%20employment%20relationship/dismissal/

    I would be tempted to speak to him myself - not in the hope of changing the outcome - best for your daughter she's no longer working there I'm sure, but just because people shouldn't be let to treat people in such a rubbish way. Good luck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭Eoinbmw


    Im sure this POS has a big turnover of staff thats his game plan move on and forget she has a long bright future ahead of her!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,864 ✭✭✭jd


    Scumbag Boss has a business model of treating young staff like sh!t with high turnover and getting rid of them as they approach 1 year. Not much you can do about it but let it go. I wouldn't worry about a reference, she was 19 and held down a part time job for nearly a year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭SteM


    A future employer will care as much about her part time job as a 19 year old as they would about her junior cert results. It never even has to go on her CV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭MadeInKerry


    I think you need to just drop this for your own sanity. Your daughter will laugh at this with her friends in the future.

    Take this story how you will.

    My sister and I worked in a hotel in our home town. I was 18 and she was 17. She was dismissed for being late to work too often.

    My mother threw a hissy fit and would not let it go. We tried our best to get her to let it go. Eventually she decided she was going to march in and confront the manager. I still worked there. Luckily myself and my sister called the manager so he wasnt there when my mother arrived. So she missed him, but still caused a scene. Though she calmed down the next day and still to this day goes on about it. Talking about how my sister was an angel and this man was a bully.

    The real story was that my sister had thrown a drink in a womans face who was saying nasty things about someone my sister knew, so she lost her temper with a tray of drinks in her hands. The hotel owner saw this and insisted she be fired. This was back when references mattered. So our manager said he had no choice but gave her a glowing reference (this was when references meant a lot) and said for the hotels records he would just put the reason as lateness and get rid of it in a few weeks out of the files.

    But my mother hates that man. If she ever saw him she would hit him. He was never anything but nice to myself and my sister. And to this day the only person who ever talks about this event as if it were a bad event and not a funny, life experience and growth event is my mother.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Nobody is going to do that……. Put their own job on the line for signing off on something that they get no benefit from? Nobody get references like the old days. It is always sterile "X worked for Y company between Xth and Yth of 20XX, feel free to contact for clarification". Bad people often get let go with glowing references to get rid of them (The wifes boss just got rid of a guy who torpedoed his shop within three months and was happy to get rid of him. Word on the grapevine was he did the same to loads of shops in the greater Dublin area). Reference mean very little now. A personal recommendation from someone already in the company is a different matter.



  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    I was left go from a college job after a few months over 20 years ago just because. The manager running the place was very flaky and subject to extreme mood swings. It had zero effect on my working life as an adult. I imagine your daughter was left go at this point because she has a lot more rights after 12 months in her position. It's a terrible thing to do to someone and you're daughter will feel, rightly, sore about it but she will forget about it and move on.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    When you are on the other side of college and university, its about the last 5 years and what your last job/course director said about you and what your learned and where you are going?

    OP, Forget about this and move onto the next challenge. The average turnover of a fast food employee is 3 months or a summer. That is real life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,674 ✭✭✭dobman88


    You only need to do one thing here and that's nothing. Leave that job off the CV. Just support your daughter for a day or 2 until she's over it. Reassure her that you'll cover her for lunch or college drinks or whatever and she can take you out when she can eventually afford it.

    I was 30 when I went back to college and was working full time when I started. The full time job was too much to handle so I left and ended up picking up a few cash in hand jobs around evenings and weekends. I got "fired" a few times cos I couldn't make the times the employer wanted.

    I have been asked just once whether I worked or anything during college and my stock answer is "I was lucky that my wife was able to cover our expenses while I was in college so a job was not required"

    Your daughter can substitute parents for wife and nobody will ask a follow up question.

    Don't go lobbying TDs, lol at that. Don't go contacting the employer. Don't do anything apart from being there to tell your daughter that this is a temporary blip and it'll be grand. Leave this job off the CV. Go and get any other number of retail or hospitality jobs that students do. She could have another job by the end of the week if she goes looking.

    I know this means the world now at this particular moment but after a few months she'll be laughing about being upset by this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Orban6


    Total wind up thread!



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