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FáilteDAB: Coverage, Tests and Services

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭KildareP


    It's somewhat subjective but I find the metallic swirly sound of the low bitrates being used jarring. Just doesn't sound pleasant to listen to for long periods.

    Lazer on its temporary FM trial sounded far superior to its DAB+ counterpart. Christmas FM on DAB+ sounded pretty dreadful compared to FM.

    The stations sounded reasonable enough back at the start when using 48Kbps - not perfect but listenable - but they were subsequently dropped to fit more in later on and the quality really suffered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭vinnielo


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Manc-Red_


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    Better Born Lucky Than Rich.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I've driven and been around Dublin long enough to know that even the RTE from Three Rock on FM has coverage issues where the signal is crackling all the time. DAB+ doesn't do that.

    The overall problem will be if Ireland doesn't move to DAB / DAB+ the likes of Spotify will catch up and overtake. No real Irish content will be the result, as long as with a smaller and smaller FM listener audience.

    Also the RTE would need to have a DAB+ strategy for Ireland to come out of the endless trial phase. Currently there isn't much marketing done for Digital radio, and only few DAB+ radios seem to be sold in electronics markets like Currys, etc…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭SPDUB


    Also the RTE would need to have a DAB+ strategy for Ireland to come out of the endless trial phase. Currently there isn't much marketing done for Digital radio, and only few DAB+ radios seem to be sold in electronics markets like Currys, etc…

    The Government not having a DAB strategy is the problem .

    If the current trial is going well enough to extend it then how is it not going well enough to make it permanent ?

    And since it's not permanent I still in good conscience can't say to anyone to buy a radio to listen to it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭TheBMG


    I’ve honestly never noticed any real issue with FM signals from Three Rock. There’s some areas (Fosters Ave in Mt Merrion or areas of Howth) where they take some damage but the DAB transmission on Three Rock would presumably be the same.

    I did take a spin during the week and was impressed with the DAB penetration into the city centre itself; lost it in the carpark but FM signals get severely attenuated there too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Yes parts of Howth are having issues with FM signals from Three Rock, but they get the signal from other transmitters.

    I've even had issues with the 88.5 from the RTE in the Usher's Quai area and the likes, but that was inside of apartment blocks. Signal had issues with a stereo sound and was crackling at times. This may also have been some kind of other electromagnetic interference from another apartment.

    The problem with Irish DAB+ is that data rates are rather low, whilst in Switzerland or Germany they are using a lot higher data rates for transmission but this leads to a lot fewer stations on a DAB+ multiplexer and the need of a lot more multiplexers. Especially with classical music that's a benefit having a higher data rate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭TheBMG


    Glenasmole up in the Dublin mountains is another Three Rock blackspot from what I remember. They do have an alternative in the monster signals from Kippure ten minutes up the road!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,527 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    This is my concern. We're already over-reliant on foreign media (especially British TV) as it is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,150 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    I was referring to audio quality in my post, regarding coverage FM/DAB+ are effectively the same, the 'non crackling ' DAB+ reception is probably the SFN 'effect' , a good car radio with good AF functionality can ,to a lesser extent, mirror this.

    Your point about Spotify is spot on , unfortunately, as it has always been the case, broadcasting in Ireland is about maintaining the status quo.

    Short term gains vs long term losses and potential closure of local services.

    As ever in Irish broadcasting regulation, everything is reactionary, only when car manufacturers looked set to removing car radios and replace them with pre installed apps did the penny drop.

    The broadcasting landscape is changing rapidly and when stipulations around carriage on Mux 2 still exist in 2026 , Irish broadcasting, like DAB+ reception, is on a cliff edge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭vinnielo


    May I suggest you might be of the age where you can no longer hear the top end of audio that's put through FM/DAB radio, hence why you can't detect the annoying effects of low bitrate DAB+?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Manc-Red_


    It’s possible yes, especially as I rely heavily on Headphones as I live in a house with 5 girls 🤣

    Better Born Lucky Than Rich.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,918 ✭✭✭Charles Slane


    With the MUX2 service due to start in April, I wonder when we can expect to see reports of tests. The FailteDAB site lists the transmitter locations as -

    Wexford, Port Laoise, Mayo, Galway City, North Galway, Longford, Tipperary, North Cork, Cork City and West Cork.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    I have a DAB+ radio in my car, I'm checking every couple of days when I drive to see if there are any tests in my area ( North Co.Cork), if and hopefully when I get something, I'll report back here. If I end up with a good signal where I live, I'll probably buy a relatively cheap DAB+ radio for playing around with at home, especially seeing as the trial will run until April 27 and maybe beyond, who knows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭marclt


    any idea on which frequencies these new sites will use?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Your radio should automatically tune to the frequencies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Orban6


    I don't have a DAB radio but can check on a spectrum analyser. I pick up 2 of the Dublin Muxes but nothing else yet. Longford should bomb into my location but nothing showing up yet. It's unlikely that anything further afield will be receivable here but I'll keep an eye on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,150 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    Any confirmed news on the stations to be carried on 'Mux 2' ?,

    Lots of rumours , concerningly if true there wont be as many ' independent 'stations compared to the current Mux



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 225 ✭✭BuzzG


    @Infoanon - Are you able to share any of the rumours ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭Cmx95


    Can independent stations afford the carriage fees for a second muc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The carriage fees are meant to be very very low so I suspect that won't be an issue. The bigger issue would be the lack of independent stations already in the west of the country where Mux 2 will be broadcasting from.

    There's 6 independent radio stations based in Dublin alone with another 6 covering the rest of Leinster, the entirety of Munster has 7 independent stations and I'd wager that they won't all be interested in broadcasting to the Mux 2 area. Would their indie licenses even allow eg Live95FM to broadcast to Cork?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,527 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    RTE Gold is a possibility, based on what Will Leahy said on his show not too long ago. He didn’t directly mention FailteDAB but did say something along the lines of that they hope to make it easier to receive in cars very soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭waywill1966


    any update from Will regarding that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    Just did a Google check and it said there are 11 independent stations in Munster, 3 in Cork, 1 in Clare, 2 in Limerick, 1 in Kerry, 2 in Tipperary, 2 in Waterford.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,480 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Don't trust AI slop, and definitely never re-post it thinking its true.

    Not a bit of this is correct

    There are three local stations in Cork - all owned by Bauer and Onic. There is one in Clare. There is one in Limerick, owned by Onic. There is one in Kerry. There is one in Tipperary. There is one in Waterford, owned by the Daily Mail.

    Stations owned by large media groups are not independent.

    There are two regional youth stations covering the area (both also covering bits of Leinster), both owned by Bauer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Cork has 96FM and C103 but it is considered one franchise and Red FM so yeah you could make that argument for 3 stations in Cork

    The other franchises are Limerics Live 95FM, Clare has Clare FM, WLR for Waterford, Radio Kerry and Tipp FM round it out

    There's numerous community stations as well but I'd say they're unlikely to make it to DAB



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Widescreen


    surely it would need to go on FM to get immediate regular increase in listeners



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭Antenna


    If someone was trying to get it where there might be barely enough reception, it may only be found by MANUALLY entering the frequency channel (such as 10D ) and moving about the radio to try find a spot in the room where enough signal registers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭marclt


    I did find the frequencies that had been internationally agreed online at one time but can’t seem to find them now. IIRC there was the National mux allocation, regional and local too.

    Any idea where I might be able to find it?



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