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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    James Ryan when he came on showed a level of dog and grit and didn't take a backwards step. No one is going to replace Sexton when it comes to leadership and driving standards but for me right now Ryan has to be captain and on the pitch for 80mins. Huge Doris fan BTW.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 321 ✭✭noc1980


    We need to forget about competing with the top dogs for the moment, the focus now has to be being better than Scotland & Argentina. Do that and while we won't win the next RWC, we'll have the QF monkey off our back at least and the next side we have that can contend for the trophy won't have the mental baggage of past failures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Rayray98


    We already are better, we comfortably beat Scotland in the last 6N…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,539 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Sobering

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,939 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Are we really at the stage where suggesting players make different defensive reads based on who is playing inside or outside them is seen as controversial? 

    By this logic, no 13 would ever shoot out of the line; they’d simply line up their own man, under the guise of “well, I did my job, and tackled my man. It’s not my job to pre-emptively cover for someone else i.e. make a defensive read”.

    The point is, sometimes your job is to make a read to pre-emptively cover for someone else. We saw it a number of times in this game with others narrowing in around Prendergast, particularly on first phase.

    Now, TOB’s execution was awful. But that’s entirely different from his decision to shoot.

    And based on the quality of Prendergast’s subsequent tackle on Jalibert, you’d be hard pushed to say it was a bad decision.

    France may well have scored anyway. But he has to do better there.

    But - going back to the original point - can we equally say “Crowley has to do better there” for his missed tackle on Attisogbe?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,470 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    We're just in between cycles. Same thing happened happened in 2008, 2012 and 2020. I honestly think this is temporary. We're just don't know our best team and we don't know our identity.

    In my opinion that's what 2026 will be about, discovering all that, my concern would be whether we need a new coaching team to do that. That's not a criticism of Farrell and co, it's just the reality that to build one very good team is an enormous challenge, to do it a second time is pretty much unheard of in Irish rugby.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,966 ✭✭✭almostover


    A totally accurate assessment of the state Irish rugby and one that I'm sure will ruffle a few feathers on here.

    There just isn't the same affluence and private school system in Munster and Connacht to emulate the blueprint for Leinster's success. That private school system does exist to some extent in and around Belfast but it's not producing enough top talent at the moment.

    20 years ago Munster were successful based off the produce of AIL club teams. That has diminished massively now and needs to be reinvigorated. It's the model too that should be followed in Connacht.

    We're also not getting much in the way of GAA converts anymore. And it's showing in terms of catching and kicking skills. We benefited massively over the years from the likes of Shaggy, Kearney and Bowe in this regard. Multi sport athletes have a more rounded skillset.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭Madeoface


    He may be marmite but Matt Williams has an excellent article in the Times today. Nathan John's article is also on the money about Ireland and its failing kicking strategy.

    Both a good read and doesn't mention the 10 issue at all!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,939 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    The stats doing the rounds about the contestables are that there were 19, Ireland won 4 and Francce won 15. Damning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭cantwbr1


    lan Madigan on the Indo podcast went into a lot of detail about contestables. Key points are preparation for there not being a clean catch and the positioning of non/jumping support (in front, behind and breaking ball). France seemed to always have that covered whereas we didn’t seem to have any structure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,939 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I must’ve this a listen when I get a chance. For me, Madigan is the best pundit around at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,918 ✭✭✭Rattlehead_ie


    We had one game plan and it didn't work...so what did we do...continue with that game plan. There wasn't a single person on the pitch who could dynamically manage the game and make over arching team(game plan) choices in how we approached it. This only really came after half time, when we decided to keep possession and do something with it.

    DuPont, not only played well but he managed his front 8 very well, kicked ball out and away when they needed the game to slow down.

    I don't believe we are a team in transition in terms of team, players and a game or tournament squad. I feel we are more a team that needs leaders on the pitch who can play what's in front of them and not what was pre planned of it doesn't work.

    Despite all that I am happy to see the scrums did well even though we were many a prop down. Our lineouts did well and gave us platforms. The lesser capped players stood up and put their name in the mix.

    McCloskey was probably the Irish player of the game for me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Rayray98


    It changed when Crowley came on and we had two distributors.


    Normally when Ireland are at their free flowing best they have 2-3 play makers who make things happen in the fly half, Hansen and Keenan…on Thursday we only had 1 and that was Prendergast, leaving us with only 1 way of playing which was to kick the ball. It’s no coincidence that we started looking more dangerous and threatening with ball in hand once Crowley was on at 15, will be interesting to see if that continues if Keenan isn’t back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,918 ✭✭✭Rattlehead_ie


    Not arguing with your point but I don't put it down to just one player changing it. There were moments where the team that started the game showed what we could do if we didn't box kick or kept it in hand (or least were 99% the box kick would work) which most of the time it didn't...this is what I mean about change of game plan.

    What I will say about Crowley is and from watching Munster this year he's had his moments as a 10, but his work rate and his ability to influence a game when HE (not necessarily his team) is without the ball is the most significant thing I think he brings atm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭thamus doku


    Farrell Is in a tough position , lose to either Italy, wales or Scotland and I think he will definitely be replaced.
    if we finish outside the top 3 the IRFU will have no choice but to make a change.

    He will pick as experienced as he can for all the games now, he has no choice as he will know that his job is on the line.

    The reality Is Farrell brought this all on himself, giving jobs to paul O’Connell and sexton was bizarre and no way to run a serious set up. You hire the best coaches you can get, and you also need an assistant who is the bad guy and will give the players and other coaching staff plenty of guff. He can say and do things that Farrell can’t.

    Farrell does not have that and he is now paying the price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,087 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33


    I can't see Farrell going before the WC regardless of what happens this 6n.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,539 ✭✭✭✭phog


    He might go before the RWC but it won't be on the back of what happens this 6Ns unless we lose all 5 games.

    While the result was disappointing there's a core group of players missing through injury who would add to our performances.

    I do think though our game plan or execution is flawed and if Farrell thinks Sam adds more in attack than Crowley why has he JGP kicking the leather off the ball



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,019 ✭✭✭50HX


    100%

    You won't get a head coach this side of RWC & even if you did there dwindling game time to implement new style of play, systems etc.

    Outside of the above its madness to suggest he should go.

    He is the best Ire head coach we've ever had imo & has proven how to get us to where we were in 22/23.

    Lets get a full playing deck back first & take it from there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,539 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Our attack has been found out or nullified by the better teams, we won't beat the better teams by only scoring 14 points

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,666 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Scott Robertson is available, if Andy did leave ( not saying i want him to go)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,018 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    Under 20s six nations champions 2019, 2022,2023 yet there's noone coming through???? Wtf happened.

    "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others" - Winston Churchill

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,539 ✭✭✭✭phog


    We have people coming through and we have some from those teams currently playing for Ireland. One of the issues here is that we've only 4 teams, whereas the likes of France & England have double that to spread their up and coming players around to get the game time they require to develop



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,666 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Conservative coaches, not blooding enough of these ex u20s to provinces or national team, or maybe they never progressed further.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,666 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    So what do posters think, will there be many changes fof Italy? Will we double down on tactics? Will we win?

    I think we will go same tactics as Paris sadly, no big changes in players by that i mean players like Edogbo, Crowley to FB , things like that.

    As for the game ,I think there is such a malaise in the team we might loose.

    Whoever wins between Scots and Italy today will finish 3rd imo.

    Sorry for the bleak post and I hope im proven wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,552 ✭✭✭OldRio


    'The IRFU will have no choice but to make a change'????????????

    Seriously? Have you thought for one second about that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,539 ✭✭✭✭phog


    No changes unless one of his key players make it back from injury with the exception of a (pre planned) possible swap at outhalf.

    We'll beat Italy and improve our PD so beating the rest will keep us in the hunt for the championship and the Triple Crown



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,918 ✭✭✭Rattlehead_ie


    I go back to what I said earlier....the issue so much isn't the coaching ticket in terms of focus, skill set and ability to man manage and deliver. At some point though (probably during the Schmidt era) the 15men on the pitch lost or the responsibility for the game plan was taken away from them and put on the shoulder of the head coach...the issue here is that the head coach can only do so much from the stands.

    We need to be able to be dynamic, change based on what works and doesn't in the first 5mins and continue to re-evaluate and implement based on what happens, not just wait for halftime or the subs to come on. We need someone who can read a game...not just implement a plan who is on the pitch. There are probably one or two I can think of, but no one does...they need to take some responsibility to change dynamically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,539 ✭✭✭✭phog


    After watching the first half on Thursday night we were told by Fogarty that we were going to kick longer, I doubt he decided that on his own so if it comes from the coaching team who are the players that going to change that and survive?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,666 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    The worrying factor is the coaching teams only tactic is " the team to show more character " 🙄



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭thamus doku


    yes I have. We are told for years the IRFU need the money from the 6 nations to exist, the higher the place the more money. This is crucial and is the reason we can never experiment.
    we are told for years the 6 nations is more important to Irish Rugby than the World Cup.

    logically a head coach who fails to finish top 3 in the 6 nations will be under pressure, but if he loses to wales or Italy he is definitely gone.
    Finish 5th or worse and that’s when the accountants come in and when they arrive Farrells goose is cooked



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