New anti scrambler laws

The usual hot air of legislation, the criminal scrambler riders are already breaking numerous laws that aren't being enforced.

More unenforced laws on top of even more unenforced laws.

How is it possible that they can one day say that its illegal to operate them?

The same way they do for anything? It was legal to smoke in pubs until one day a law was introduced that says it wasn't. Same for drugs like mephedrone and synthetic cannabinoids - they were legal until they weren't. Unless there's a constitutional argument, the government of the day can essentially choose to bring in laws to ban whatever they like.

TBH, I'd be waiting to see what the actual proposed legal text is. It's very common for Irish politicians to announce that there "will" be laws brought in: https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/1025/1173850-scooters/

The Department of Transport said that while it is "currently illegal to use an eScooter on a public road, the Programme for Government does commit to legislating for their use".

That was October 2020. First e-scooter legislation took effect in May 2024. Also see the "public service broadcasting charge" that was supposed to replace the TV licence. First announced in 2013, and still hasn't been introduced (despite multiple governments claiming that it's coming "soon")

You're in the Legal Discussion category, so I assume you're looking for discussion on the legalities. The government would have struggled to ban only Marlboro's, but that's because it would fall foul of other laws intended to make operating a business fair - a government cannot pick out a single business to punish (without very good reason).

You're saying the government shouldn't be allowed ban a particular type of two-wheel vehicle. If the government decided tomorrow to ban SUV-type vehicles, there's nothing (legally) to prevent them from doing that.

You appear to be talking about whether they should ban them - that has nothing to do with the legal question, it is a political one.

No. I don't think they plan on banning any road legal bike with tax and insurance and been driven in a lawful manner. We all know legislation isn't needed, what we need to do is allow garda to chase these lawbreakers and ram them without any legal ramifications for the Garda doing their jobs. They ram them off in England. Is it not possible to that here?

So it's either we enable Garda to do their jobs properly, or we do nothing and the status quo continues. Legislation changes nothing for people who have no respect for the law.

One thing I know is politicians hate making decisions, especially something as awkward as this. A bit of pointless legislation? Yeah sure, they'll just about manage that. Let Garda get hard on scum? No chance. Won't happen.

Well, any ban will include a legally clear definition (or at least attempt to). It's extremely unlikely to include any reference to items "resembling" something else.

There's a number of ways they could approach it: e.g. they could do a proscribed list of models which the minister could add to at any time. More likely, they would have some specific attributes that would be banned e.g. length of suspension, exhaust position, weight to power ratios etc. (not a motorbike person, those are just random examples)

But yes, it is legally possible to ban an item which is currently legal

The same thing that happened to gun owners when they confiscated them all, nothing/nada/zilch as you had a legal item the government has made illegal so tough. At least you'll still have your bike to sell for scrap or export it, the guns are still sitting in storage after decades.

So you're suggesting that Garda cars should have a policy of knocking riders off these bikes in order to bring them to a stop? And the individual Gardai have to live with the consequences this might cause? These riders don't exactly wear the best PPE.

They wont ban them out right. As long as you have your own land or some where designated to use them you are grand, you just won't bae able to use in on public fields, Coillete land etc

I totally agree your point about innocent bystanders, but you're happy for a Garda having to live with maiming or possibly killing another person. Would you be willing to run a bike off the road at speed?