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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Sean Naughton wasn't even the best 10 at his age group, so the likelihoood of him jumping into the mix is slim at this stage.

    Can never write it off completely mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,967 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    He's got a few starts at full back, his goal kicking has been excellent. He certainly can play but I'd like to see him at 10 to know how good he is there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,666 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    They most definitely are good enough to beat us



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,967 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,666 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Why are you so dismissive of the potential of Italy beating Ireland they have a better , 1, 7, 10,12, 13, 11 ,14



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Yep. Italy have the makings of a very good spine of a team and are far from the walkover win we would have expected them to be a few years back.

    Pound for pound, I would be expecting to beat them. However you can't take it as a given anymore.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There will be a first time for everything but the closest they've ever come in ireland was a 16-11 loss in 08 when we were atrocious. Been double digit wins every other time.

    So i reject even the premise, they aren't better at all those positions anyway or they would win more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,666 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    We are pretty atrocious now by our standards, look we may well win as we are at home , but Italy must be thinking they have a great shot .



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Because our standards are way higher than in 08.

    Italy have essentially never troubled ireland at home ever. I'm not about to start pissing my pants cause of a loss in Paris to that French team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,600 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    There's a rake of promising centres. Gavin, Postlewaithe, Forde, Cooney, Tector, Osborne et al. Yet Ireland, and Leinster, persist with lads who are years past their best. Folks were deriding the notion of having Tector in the squad, yet seem happy to watch Ringrose be an empty shirt for 80mins. It's been a massive area of failure on Farrell's part with regards selection. Outside of McCloskey currently, our attack does nothing through the centres. No threat of an outside break, no fancy footwork. Just head down, slowly running into contact. Part of the reason Farrell has persisted with Lowe is to try and compensate for the deficits of our centres imo.

    Similar issue on the wings. We finally have Baloucoune fit, and he picks Stockdale instead. Arguments about wing specificity are daft, if an a professional winger can't adapt to generally catching the ball from his right rather than his left, they've no business playing the game. I'm a fan of TOB, but's he not playing well in green currently. There's also Ward and Bolton putting in consistently good performances at club level. JOB ignored despite being the arguably the form FB when fit this season.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    Ireland will beat Italy next week, beat Wales lose to England and the Scotland game will be close but Ireland will just shade it as Scottish pack still not at the races.

    But the six nations is over for us as a comp to win, mid table and well off the pace will be the report card.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 744 ✭✭✭farmerval


    Our lineout while the best in a long time in the first half, did regress quite a bit in the second. As Bertie Ahern said, lots done lots more to do!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,660 ✭✭✭✭cson


    I get that the IRFU need 3rd place for their budget but honestly just give it the young lads for the rest of the tournament. Anyone over 30 shouldn't be playing meaningful minutes the rest of the way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 926 ✭✭✭no.8


    What dreadfully inadequate response @ElisaAtWar. Shameful really. 10 minutes in the bin for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭Juventu4


    Did you watch the Leinster v Bayonne game? If you did you'd know Jimmy O'Brien is a disaster in the air.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Intelligent and witty. Go @nr.8. After a while you just get tired. Apologies, I will do better



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,439 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    It's not rocket science lads, our best players are gone and France have some incredible talent.

    That number 11 with the red cap is just unstoppable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,600 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I've watched him plenty this season, he's not a disaster in the air. Silly comment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Rayray98


    My issue is everything looks just so lethargic from us, no energy and no enthusiasm on show. Almost like we are just going through the motions and hoping something clicks as opposed to going out there and trying to influence the game ourselves.


    That performance was probably the worst performance I’ve seen from an Irish side in probably +10 years and was the sort of performance we lambasted Italy for during their dark years.we just stood back and admired the French the first half with our only plan seemingly being to kick the ball down field and hope the French knock on, and when that didn’t happen we had nothing to show for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Rayray98


    I know we’ve Italy next week but, realistically, the game we need to see a serious response form this team is England in round 3, too many of these games we’ve looked so second best that it’s become alarming, this is the team I would like to see:

    15 Jack Crowley 

    14 Tommy O’Brien 

    13 Jamie Osborne 

    12 Stuart McCloskey

    11 Jacob Stockdale 

    10 Sam Prendergast

     9 Jamison Gibson-Park

     8 Caelan Doris 

     7 Nick Timoney 

     6 Tadgh Beirne 

     5 James Ryan 

     4 Joe McCarthy 

     3 Tadgh Furlong 

     2 Dan Sheehan 

     1 Jeremy Loughman 


    16 Ronan Kelleher 

    17 Michael Milne 

    18 Thomas Clarkson 

    19 Cormac Izuchukwu 

    20 Jack Conan 

    21 Josh van der Flier 

    22 Craig Casey 

    23 Garry Ringrose 


    It was clear that we looked better on attack when we have a 2nd distributor on the field, which Keenan normally provides, and Crowley showed that yesterday so I’d like to see him get a run at 15. Ringrose unfortunately just sums up 80% of the “leaders” in this team right now, lethargic, wouldn’t mind giving Jamie a run in his natural position.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 Dentist Roly Meates


    Hard to argue. Against France we lost the gain-line by phase 2, our pod shapes collapsed into one-out carries, and ruck arrival times drifted past 3s. A second distributor stabilises width, but none of it matters if your ruck efficiency drops faster than the price of a pint rises — which is saying something!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,967 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    You said it yourself there, we have 8 players better than they have. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Rayray98


    Remember, this is the same guy who said we’d lose to Georgia last summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,221 ✭✭✭riddles


    how would that work or how does it work with contracts. I assume at the start of the year there is a core group of players on central contracts and it’s expected they play the six nations and autumn internationals.

    How are players rewarded per game they play for Ireland when they are not on a central with the IRFU and how does the current system essentially require status quo selection to function as in keeping the best players playing in Ireland so they can be managed best for Irelands needs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭longjohn200




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭MeisterG


    Notwithstanding anything else for anyone who has watched Leinster this season lst nights performance was more of the same. Ireland have in the past benefited from the smooth transition from Leinster to Ireland jerseys for the majority of the team and yesterday was the flip side of this. Sort Leinster out first - in the meantime we have to develop an independent plan for the national side and that will allow us to pick players on form not familiarity



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,966 ✭✭✭almostover


    I'd agree with that team selection for the most part. But I'd give 'big Joe' the day at home after his performance yesterday and play Beirne at 5 with Cian P at 6. Maybe Edogbo instead of Izuchukwu on the bench but that's dealer's choice really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭Tommysocks11


    Poor result, we gave france too much respect in first half, constant box kicking was not working for us, set piece went well in fairness thought dickson was a real home town ref, missed a lot of French knock ons and forward passes and entering rucks from side too, the mauvacka shoulder charge on Doris when we were a few metres from line was a joke of a decision as was dupont slap down of ball, yellow card all day, we still would have lost but its way harder when being blown off the park ourselves and France getting away with a lot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,666 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    If the rest of the 6 nations goes poorly, does anyone think the coaching ticket will be changed or freshened up after ? I would love Robertson in ( probably very unlikley) McNamara would be great too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Rayray98


    I get what you mean with Joe but I think the perfect balance between the two is benching him. Send a message that his performance’s haven’t been good enough to start but at least give him a chance to redeem himself. I think realistically we won’t see Edogbo until Wales, he needs time to get up to speed!



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