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Dublin Bus experience

  • 28-01-2026 10:39AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭


    Not a regular bus user in recent yeats - I live near a luas line - but was a regular user in the past when I lived elsewhere.

    Yesterday I decided to use the bus - #15 route - to travel from the city centre to an appointment I had in Rathgar. Not a journey I'd regularly make by public transport. Decided to take the bus.

    I allowed c.1 hr for the journey - got bus on Dame Street.

    The bus arrived several minutes late. Was a 2005 reg piece of junk that was poorly maintained. There was one of those stop name displays - but it wasnt working.

    The part of the journey going through Rathmines was tourtuous - traffic in Dublin was a lot lighter than normal due to the weather, so it wasnt congested. But that entire stretch has soo many traffic lights - not coordinated and often in illogical places, that no traffic can move.

    Then we get just beyond Rathmines and the bus breaks down. Walked the final km or so myself - in lashing rain - and was late for the appointment.

    Is this what the billions being invested in DB is paying for?

    Im sure someone will come on saying they have buses on their route are new etc etc - but the baseline service I received was terrible. The bus I got on was going to break down frequently - so I wasnt "unlucky".

    As for the traffic light situation in Rathmines.......wouldnt matter how comfortable/new the bus was.

    A journey from the city centre to a inner suburb should not take more than an hour off peak.

    Firm impression is that in spite of billions in investment, the service offered by DB has significantly degraded since I was last a regular user. Wont be in a hurry to use them again - I called someone to give me a lift back.



Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭Kalimah


    Not my experience to be honest. I’m on the 15 at minimum three days a week going to work. I don’t even bother timing the bus arrival now as I’m fairly sure of getting one within a few minutes.
    I couldn’t tell you the last time I was on one that broke down or that was dirty or shabby. Most drivers are exceptionally pleasant too under what must be difficult conditions at times. The worst thing about the journey is the traffic!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭Fizzy Duck


    https://bustimes.org/services/15-ballycullen-road-hunters-avenue-clongriffin-par/vehicles?date=2026-01-27#journeys/835902968

    This was the oldest bus on the 15 yesterday. It broke down at Leicester Avenue just before Rathgar. The journey from Dame St to Leicester Avenue took 23 minutes. Buses break down, its just unfortunate. I was driving a new electric bus today which broke down because of a fault with sensors. I apologised to passengers, they transfered to the bus behind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭csirl


    Journey was longer than 23 mins. Took longer than that to get thru the various traffuc lights in Rathmines!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭csirl


    P.S. my google maps timeline says 39 mins for a distance of 2.5 miles!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,629 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The GPS data in the link that’s in the post above has the bus leaving College Green at 15:42 and arriving at Leicester Avenue at 16:05 - that’s 23 mins? It was only 2 mins behind schedule at College Green looking at the stop-by-stop schedule.

    Not sure how that reconciles with your timings.

    Unfortunately the reality is, as I have posted numerous times in this forum, that the bus service will be reliant on the older buses until more depots are electrified and the 200 new electric buses in store can be brought into use.

    National grid issues are holding the electrification back significantly. We should see the oldest buses being replaced this year, but we are going to be stuck with large numbers of older buses well into 2027.

    I think to be fair, you were unlucky with the break down - buses do break down from time to time but it happens far less than in times gone by. Dublin Bus are doing the best they can with what they have.

    Was there no other 14, 15, 15a, 15b, 65 or 65b that you could have taken for the rest of the trip?

    One bus breaking down does not mean the entire fleet has problems.

    Post edited by LXFlyer on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,108 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    yesterday ? when alot of the roads were flooded



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,824 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    You'd be very unfortunate to be on an AX that breaks down, even now. They must have been the most reliable bus type in the DB fleet in decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭csirl


    Was speaking to a relative who is a regular user of the route - was also on one which broke down this week (northside part of route).



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,122 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    While the AX’s are a very reliable model and DB’s maintenance seems excellent, at 20 years old that is pushing it even for a very reliable model. I suspect over time you would see more frequent breakdowns if they are kept on the road.

    That is why I’m a fan of the old 14 years rule, though I totally understand why it was broken for the increases of BusConnects.

    Hopefully the charging for the new BEV buses can be sorted ASAP and replace the oldest buses in the fleet, before break downs become increasingly common and start to impact the publics view on the reliability of the buses services.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,302 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Has the lifespan of vehicles increased?

    When I was a student 40 years ago, I had an argument with someone who claimed that scrapping 18 year old Atlantean buses was an example of public sector waste, and I said that they did not have an unlimited reliable life.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,122 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Not really. Up until just before COVID, either DB or the NTA had a policy to keep buses for only around 14 years, they were consistently buy about 100 buses per year that would typically replace the oldest 100 buses in the fleet which would be around 14 years old.

    This has largely gone out the window with BusConnects, the size of the fleet has increased substantially and partly this has been achieved by keeping older buses around longer. Though keep in mind those oldest buses wouldn’t have been doing much mileage during covid, so that helps. Of course issues with charging infrastructure meaning the new BEV buses can’t be introduced as quickly as you might like doesn’t help either!

    Older buses will require a lot more maintenance then newer buses typically and that is an issue at a time when you have a shortage of mechanics!

    As an aside people who say scraping older buses is public waste don’t really understand the bigger picture, the difference between capex, opex and TCO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth 8-bit


    The nickname for the ALX 400 here and in the UK where they are operated is "The Old Lady" :p



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    To go back to the original post, judging a 24/7/365 city-wide service on the basis of one poor experience is not exactly solid evidence of a bad service. I use DB frequently on multiple routes that serve the north side of Dublin and, overall, it is way better than it used to be, especially in terms of frequency and reliability. It has its limitations, of course, and journey times are often long when you consider what would be achievable by trams or trains, which really only cover limited parts of the Dublin area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,629 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    There are 1,150 buses in the Dublin Bus fleet, and 233 in the Go-Ahead Ireland Dublin city fleet - that is a total of 1,383 buses. There are 46 buses from 2005 in that total - just over 3%.

    Again, one or two buses breaking down does not damn that entire fleet. I travel across the network every day, and seeing a broken down bus is something that I would call noteworthy, in the sense that I rarely see it. I can't remember the last time I was on a bus that broke down.

    So yes, I stand by my comment that you were very unlucky.

    The rate of service expansion over the last 7 to 8 years, coupled with the slow pace of fleet replacement in recent years due to the lack of charging infrastructure have meant that the fleet age has increased.

    The decision by the NTA and government to only order electric buses for city bus operation since 2022 without consideration of what the electricity infrastructure requirements to power them up has meant that we are stuck with using the older buses for the next couple of years until the infrastructure is in place.

    Currently, the oldest fleet buses in daily PSO service are:

    2006 - AX Class - 38 in Dublin Bus and 8 in GAI (with the latter 8 mainly used on school services).

    2007 - EV Class - 42 in Dublin Bus; VT Class - 14 in Dublin Bus

    2008 - EV Class - 48 in Dublin Bus; VG Class - 23 in Dublin Bus

    2009 - VG Class - 1 in Dublin Bus

    Everything else dates from 2012 forward.

    Dublin Bus had a 12 year fleet replacement cycle at one stage but that is impossible considering the constraints mentioned above.

    The 2006 buses are likely to be withdrawn later this year if and when further garage electrification allows the introduction of the more of the electric buses currently in storage.

    Post edited by LXFlyer on


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,122 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Yes, it should only take one depots worth of chargers to come online to suddenly clear out all those old single door buses. Other then perhaps the VT class which offer something unique.

    I’d guess they would like to see all the old single door double deckers buses gone by next year before they start rolling out the new validators for the next gen ticketing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,302 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Ordering electric buses without implementing any means of charging them for years later is an good example of public mismanagement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,629 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    No kidding.

    That point has been made by myself and others numerous times in this forum at this stage.

    But we are where we are now and there’s not much that can be done until the depots are electrified.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Nathan Jessep


    Another perfect example of NTA incompetence, no repercussion for this grievous error, heads should have rolled.



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