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Price of a pint !

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    It's the same with energy companies, supermarkets, banks, phone providers, they all consistently increase their prices despite making billions, yet we rarely see the level of outrage as the cost of a pint going up.

    I'm paying less in terms of my wage ratio for my pints as I was 5 years ago, as are the majority of people.

    Your maths wasn't actually maths, just another opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,962 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,881 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's the price you sometimes pay for a can of Coke or a shrunken chocolate bar that gets me fuming. They almost double the price of lunch if you go to a deli.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,881 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's the price you sometimes pay for a can of Coke or a shrunken chocolate bar that gets me fuming. They almost double the price of lunch if you go to a deli.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    It just shows that in monetary terms there's no rip off occurring if the majority are paying the same in relation to wages as 5 years ago.

    We can go back further, 2013 figures, if you want it courtesy of David Higgins (economist).

    The average weekly wage was €690, that would buy you roughly 166 pints, the average weekly wage today is just over €1k and that also buys you, wait for it……..166 pints

    https://x.com/higginsdavidw/status/2012225255750689225



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,161 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Chocolate bars have had legit huge input cost increases, but cocoa has come down a good bit… will we see reductions? I really doubt it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,962 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    You can keep saying this, but it doesn't change the fact that these companies are gouging. All you're doing is making excuses for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,303 ✭✭✭54and56


    That same info can also be confirmation that a rip off price has been in existence for more than 5 years and has simply kept up with wage inflation over the last 5 years 😘



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Your opinion does not have more weight than the actual facts no matter how much you complain.

    Pints are no more expensive now than they were in 2013 in regards to wages so therefore, factually not a rip off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,881 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's just the shock of such a frivolous item adding so much to my bill on the rare occasion I pick one up.

    At least you can't shrinkflate a pint.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭EthelMercaptan


    Anecdotally, I used to pay €5-6 for Erdinger in the old Q Bar around 2003-2004. Based on CPI, the equivalent price should now be around €8-9. I was in there last year and paid €8 for a Retro IPA. Doubtless it was gouging back in the day and still is now - but between income tax and my other outgoings common to then and now, it certainly seems to be a lot less affordable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    You’ve given a good example there, it should cost around 8-9 based on CPI and it costs 8 so the same as 03/04.

    It’s not that the pint is less affordable due to the cost of it, it’s that all your expenses have increased greatly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭black & white


    I remember my grandfather being outraged when he could no longer get a pint and 20 Sweet Afton for a pound. Would have been early to mid 70’s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,161 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Have you considered that the big breweries were already taking us for a ride in 2013?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,636 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The price of choclate has increased expodentially over the last 2-3 years. The sale price on thr cadbury multi-packs is not 3.5 euro. Three years ago it was 2 euro. At a guess choclate has increased in price by 75% in 3 years

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    So when were pints not a rip off in your view then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,161 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Breweries have been charging Irish customers more for identical product, often made in Ireland, for decades; but the particular brigandery in terms of profit margins started in the late 90s.

    Why do you have such a bee in your bonnet about trying to defend these prices?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,881 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Basically as soon as the country got some money people started charging more. From what I remember everything was rising fast in the 00's



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    I just don’t understand the absolute outrage on display why they’re the basically the same price in relation to wages as they were in 2020, 2013 and even further back.

    I’d love them to be cheaper, but I’d love everything to be cheaper and having a moan about it isn’t going to make it happen.

    I’d rather just go out and enjoy having pints be they €6.50 or €6.70, makes little to no difference to the majority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,295 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Sometimes I wonder are ppl thick or what.

    We - the punters - hold the power.

    Guinness would be forced to bring the price down if people actually held firm and boycotted them. 

    Simple facts of economics - if we stop buying they’ll buckle and reduce prices.

    I think 5 Euro is fair for a well poured draught pint of Guinness. 

    I strongly encourage everyone to boycott them until they reduce prices.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭mumo3


    I was up in Belfast Sunday/Monday and a pint was £6.70p and that was outside the Cathedral Quarter… Was talking to a local who said Belfast is now the equivalent of Dublin and London but without the IT or Pharma industry, so the general population are paying mad money but without the lucrative job prospects. To put that in to contexed, courtesy of cheap RyanAir flights I was in Glasgow on the Saturday and a Vodka and Mixer was less than £5.00 and £3.50 in some places.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,161 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I find this a strange opinion for you to hold, considering how much you pushed the "drinking is bad" line on threads about opening hours, cancer labelling and minimum pricing.

    Do you propose a fixed price band considering you were in favour of a minimum?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,295 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    I hate to see price gouging.

    I’m completely against the “give us back the night” campaign - bunch of eejits who are not in the real world but that’s a separate discussion. I’m delighted to see their campaign dead and buried.

    now on price of a pint -

    It’s simple economics that if a product is shunned and boycotted either the product fails OR the producer reduces the price in an effort to boost sales.

    Boycott them and they will buckle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,161 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    You wholeheartedly supported a measure that massively increased prices on off-sales a few years ago (MUP).

    You also support a measure that will reduce competition in the market and increase costs (labelling).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,295 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Off topic. Won’t bite other than to say MUP is a well needed public health measure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,161 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The topic is cost increases.

    MUP has contributed to the price rises in pubs, as they can maintain a margin over off-sales.

    You support two measures that have or will lead to cost increases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,295 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Be around someone with “wet brain” for a while and then see how you feel about MUP…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,161 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    MUP does nothing at all to stop harmful drinking, other than to make other aspects of a harmful drinkers life worse. Money gets diverted to buy the same quantity of dearer alcohol; and at that, that money goes to the brewers, wholesalers and retailers - not the State.

    It also increases the chances that heavy drinkers will move entirely to spirits, as they are the thing most commonly available at MUP and not a cent more.

    But the one thing we know MUP does do is increase costs across the board, something that flies in the face of your sudden decision to be a crusader for a significant price cut. As will the labelling proposals you were also gung-ho in supporting, due to reduced competition and increased costs.

    You have opinions that cannot support each other here, and not for the first time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    I dunno. Not a fan of MUP myself, but I definitely buy less booze since it came in.

    I was a buyer of the those cheap crates of Guinness whenever they popped up. 24 for 20. Stock up. They inevitably were drank as there was always some available!

    Problem drinkers will always be problem drinkers. I don't think they were the main focus here. It's trying to prevent more problem drinkers emerging.

    Is it working? Not sure, but young people are definitely drinking less. Any young people (early 20s) where I work dont drink the same way we did at that age. It's more sensible, social drinking or not at all. They are looking after themselves more for sure.

    Is that down to MUP alone? No chance, but perhaps it's a factor, booze is expensive. However, the harmful effects of drinking are probably more of a factor. Zero alcohol is the safe limit, not 14 pints a week! It's also not a stigma not to drink anymore. It's nearly a badge of honour these days 😅



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,259 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    You would need hundreds of thousands of people to boycott to make even a tiny dent. If you boycott the Diageo you also boycott Heineken. Do you agree with that? Any boycott would have to be done at the bar not at the brewer so the only way to do that is to stop buying their products. A large part of my job is selling those products and I also supervise about 30 people who's job is also to sell those products. If everyone boycotts Diageo they don't suffer I lose my job because of the boycott. Also the 30 people I supervise lose their jobs because there is hardly any customers due to said boycott. Is boycotting those companies more important than the likes of me and my colleagues having a living?



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