General British politics discussion thread

If the UK had its unlikely Reform UK would get into government, at least not without a coalition with the Conservatives.

In an echoe of Ireland, the UK Left is very fragmented between Labour, Lib Dems, Greens and the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish Nationalists. Tactical voting would prevent some seats falling into Reforms hands.

Even in 2024, Labour only got 33% of the vote. Its not surprising an electoral system where you can win 2/3rds of the seats with one third of the vote results in political polarisation.

The Tories are now where Fianna Fail were post crash. The traditional party of government definitely still have a big voting bloc just waiting for the day that it stops being shameful to vote for them again.

How many come back is the big question though. Probably won't be to the old levels.

A two party system is a direct consequence of FPTP. It might take a another election cycle (or three), but the UK will inevitably return to a two-party system. The only real question is who the parties will be.

Starmer sat there thinking, well I know he's resigned 4 times for various things but let's give it another couple of years, maybe 5th times the charm.

Amazing how people like Mandy keep hanging around. It's been known for donkey's years that he's dirty.

There's a smell of jump before you're pushed here. Maybe he'll join Reform. 😂

Don't worry, all that foreign money buying influence in UK politics will be flushed out by the recent announcement by the UK govt that an 'independent review into foreign financial interference in UK politics' will take place…..

I'd say that the majority of people that found Epstein's "facilities" beneficial did so because they wanted to meet people that they considered were of their own "stature" in society. Epstein was able to put certain people in the same room as it were, probably for a price or a return favour of some description and he was operating this "service" for a long time. People of wealth, power and fame come to believe that they are, in fact, the "elite" and seek to continue to revolve in those circles for as long as they can. It ceases to be about money beyond a particular point. Most of these people would have accepted Epstein's offers innocently, before 2008 anyway, and most of the gatherings they attended would have been relatively unremarkable.

Of course if someone wanted to meet a person of a certain age, or wanted to indulge in whatever freaky nonsense that resided in the depths of their mind, that could also be arranged by Epstein and Maxwell.

There's no doubt in my mind that there were also many people behind Epstein as well. You don't get to be that powerful without drawing the attention of certain "agencies" and it would come as no surprise whatsoever if he, himself, was compromised at one point by Mossad or the CIA and brought into the fold, as it were, to act on their behalf.

It's also no coincidence that he got a sweetheart deal in his court case in 2008 or that Maxwell is currently serving her sentence in hotel like conditions. Beyond a particular line there's no way to keep you out of prison, but your stay can be made as comfortable as possible if you can keep your mouth shut.

There's a hell of a lot more to all of this that we'll never, ever, know and the most juicy part is not who went to Epstein for favours, but who was behind Jeffery Epstein.

Labour fail to get any convictions for the first 6 accused of various offences against Israeli military company, no wonder they want to remove jury trials. Starmer & Cooper used the trial as part justification for labelling Palestine Action a terrorist group.

Unfortunately his best replacement got 86'd over some bollocks about stamp duty. There's genuinely nobody in Starmer's "Labour Party" worth looking at.

What an absolute shambles he's turned that party into.