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Tesla Talk 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,121 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Aren't they Norway's best selling EV in 2025 ? Could the drop be linked to timing of shipments landing or has demand collapsed overnight in that market ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,121 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Because January sales are down ? You should short the stock !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,121 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,121 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Mark this day folks, boards users have predicted the end of Tesla , this must be the greatest spread betting opportunity for regular investors in years, so who is piling in ?

    This thread reminds of the various property threads where people have been calling a catastrophic drop in property prices for years now, maybe some day they will be right ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy


    If you were following EV news you would know that the tax breaks in Norway ended so there was a last rush. Same happened in Turkey too. German and French and Italian tax breaks are for low earners. DACH markets are controlled by VAG, MB and BMW.

    There is no profit in China due to competition and Elon helped elect an anti-EV President who has rolled back nearly all emissions rules on UCe cars and removed funding for EVs. There is no safe haven for Tesla any more.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,121 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    And did the Norwegian tax breaks only apply to Tesla or all EVs ? And wouldn't it then make sense that January deliveries would be way down on December?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy


    Would you be one of the smart and ballsy guys who got property prices discussion banned on AAM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭evftw


    Obviously I wrote my messages with great sarcasm. And there is no "get you random 261 range from ...) craze outside Ireland, usually actually the end of the calendar year actually. And my very own Tesla has been stuck in post since November last year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,121 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    No I just don't engage in wishing for recessions because a drop in property prices might suit me,a bit like buying individual stocks as an individual I think trying to time the property market is a mugs game, I've been right on that at least !

    I generally let the idiots get themselves banned in the property threads they lose the run of themselves eventually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,121 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Yes forgot you have the mb awd coming , very interested to see it, cool colour 😎



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    There has to be a recognition of the fact that some people are talking about $TSLA but some of us are talking about Tesla: The Consumer Car Company (this is the Motors forum after all, not an investing one)

    I don't have any predictions for what happens to $TSLA (beyond a vague sense that their robotics and automation plans are overhyped and often vapourware) but I think you'd have to be rather brave to predict that Tesla will still be making cars to sell to consumers in 2030.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭prosaic


    In 4 years, 2030, and many years beyond, I see no reason they wouldn't be making consumer cars. They'll follow market demand. Consumer class cars are part of robotaxi plan as well as cybercab. If people are still using private cars, I'm sure they'll keep selling them. If cybercaps take off in a big way, they make more of them but still make model y, 3. Just because Elon sees need for autonomous taxis I future doesn't negate parallel need for private cars. People can be so tunnel vision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,121 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    In 4 years time? Id say it's more likely than not and not sure why you are directing this post at me, I'm not the Warren buffet wanna be !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭John arse


    They'd nearly want to be coming up with a new model or completely update the current ones then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,121 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Will both the 3 and y have had extensive mid life revisions so yes you'd imagine in 4 years time they should be replaced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,882 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    So space x has bought xAI which owns x. Where does this leave Tesla.

    Elons up to some **** again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy


    You as retail investors won't end up holding the bag if you don't buy spaceX but remember that Tesla sent 2bn to xAI just last week for questionable benefit. That is 2bn they supposedly need for FSD and robots and to overhaul an aging offering of vehicles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Because you said "This thread reminds of the various property threads where people have been calling a catastrophic drop in property prices for years now" and my post is clearly a response to that.

    There's very clear evidence that Tesla is getting out of the consumer car business, and that's not at all like property market prevaricating. I think for most people here it's a debate of when not if. And that's something potential EV buyers should be aware of too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,121 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    my comment on the property threads was more related to the impending explosion of the share price / property prices it wasnt specific to Teslas consumer car business, as you and others have pointed out they don't see themselves as (just) a car manufacturer any more that's pretty clear.

    Regardless I'm not that bothered either way, i don't have a direct personal financial interest in the current or future share price of Tesla, I'm not unduly exposed on the future value of the Y we have either. I expect if they do get out of the consumer vehicle space it will be because they think they have cracked FSD and they can sell driverless cars, we will see on that front!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy


    Tesla sales in Ireland for Jan 2026 from stats.simi.ie

    95 model 3 33% up

    48 model Y 33% down

    Form that I take that standard model 3 is good value compared to competitors and model Y is suffering against competitors.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,598 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Numbers too low to be relied upon. Tesla numbers should only be compared at quarterly granularity due to delivery vagaries.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,148 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Nothing to see there as traditional dealers hold off to register cars in January. Tesla register them for buyers on arrival. Even if that’s the 31st December! Although that have started to relax that procedure in recent times.

    Also, no new deliveries in volume expected until February from Tesla. What they sell in January is usually cars that have been in inventory or Q4 deliveries that were not sold. You should know this being a hobby Tesla analyst.

    Post edited by Gumbo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy


    I am busy analyzing the delta between their sales in Ireland and the competitors who manage to get cars to their customers on 2nd JanuarY. VAG sales were strong with what some might argue is inferior product. How does that come to pass



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,498 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Tesla can't announce a car as sold until it lands here and is driven off the lot. Their Q1 delivery is coming mid-March. More or less the same every year for the last few years.

    M3 sales in January were stock that was already in the country with buyers keen to get their hands on the remaining M3 premium models before the standard model arrives on the next boat.

    There is no great mystery or conspiracy theory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy


    That is the nub of it. BMW working 3 shifts to get cars built for a car not yet gone on sale while Tesla deliver when they feel like it so long as it can be recorded for that financial quarter. Toyota and Volkswagen got their EVs delivered and are near the top of the sales list.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,148 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Not a lot to analyze.
    VW take the cars in December. They leave them sitting on the lot and register them on 2nd Jan for customers.

    Tesla take their cars in December and register them straight away. January is always a slow month for Tesla in Ireland. Look at the stats year to year. Can be done on your phone in 5 minutes. Not a lot of analysis required.

    People always jump around in January stating Tesla are dead. Usually the people that don’t understand their delivery process. Then they go quiet in December when Tesla are still in the top 5 sellers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,498 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Huh? I'm beginning to think you are pointing out stuff to use merely as a stick with which to beat Tesla, and your interest in deliveries and other manufacturers process logistics is completely incidental - as long as it supports the narrative that "Tesla be bad".

    It has narrowed your previous account down to 2 candidates however.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭evftw


    Tesla sales up by 70% in Spain in January! They'll sell 3.8 million cars this year instead of my earlier estimation of 0.4 million from yesterday!!!

    !!

    (sarcasm)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,121 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    time to put you on ignore now or maybe wait until the inevitable melt down and subsequent (re) banning…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭prosaic


    About the $2bn "payment" to xAI: it was not a payment, but a stake, creating linkage that takes advantage of synergies between the companies. Both have AI expertise.

    Tesla makes highly efficient AI chips. They are putting AI5 into production about now and AI6 is under development. AI7 will aim to be highly adapted for space based AI systems, being power efficient per mass and perhaps radiation hardened.

    I presume some AI expertise will flow from xAI to Tesla also. xAI have data centres that could be utilised by Tesla also I guess.

    Tesla is financially quite solid. They make EVs for consumers, EVs for autonomous transport, robots and because they make autonous cars and robots, they also make AI electronics. Oh, yes, and PV, energy storage.

    Yes, a failing company.



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