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Buying a digger in from china?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭OrangeBadger


    Don't do it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,573 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Even common brands use different spec components so spare parts cold leave you idle allot of the time... And then theres a chance you get some unbranded thing dickied up as something familliar...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,449 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    Check youtube there are some interesting stories about importing similar.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Cheaper to buy in ireland anyway?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    You would need a customs agent but don't do it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,449 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    No way even with import duties it would be a lot cheaper to buy from China. But spares are an obvious issue and you can hardly get them to pick it up to sort out a warranty issue :-)

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,531 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    See other thread on this topic in the Farming and Forestry forum, and specifically my contributions starting here: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121128081/#Comment_121128081

    As for spares: funnily enough, they're all available from AliExpress and dirt cheap.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,926 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    As for spares: funnily enough, they're all available from AliExpress and dirt cheap.

    So presumably you will get what you pay for!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭OrangeBadger


    One previous owner.....62 previous operators



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,369 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    It will be grand till the war kicks off. At that point it will start playing communist music, Jinping's mug will appear on the display and it will roll out the gate before embarking on a spree of destruction all by itself till the fuel runs out



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Oops!


    I remember servicing a forklift many moons ago, it basically was a chinese copy of a Toyota FD25, or so we thought........

    The job we had to get an oil filter for it was unreal, threads and housing were different to a Toyota and it took alot of phone calls and store searching to find a match.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,531 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Yep - received last week my latest order of filters and a spare set of keys. Over the course of two years or so, my Ali supplers have been a heck of a lot more reliable than AutoDoc or any of the other European suppliers I've been using for the equivalent spares for the car or camper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭memorystick


    Unless it’s from SmythsToys leave it where it is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,727 ✭✭✭emaherx


    It was a year and a half ago, it's probably ready for delivery soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,035 ✭✭✭dzer2


    Hi done this recently sourced on slibaba no problems as such just sent an inquiry on messenger and they came back paid a deposit when it was ready looked for the remaining amount. Then it was shipped they even had an import agent, this was the only rip off really



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,970 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    I recently saw a Chinese Hitachi knockoff 6 tonne or so.

    DidDidn't think such a thing existed but comparing even photos, the Chinese machines undercarriage appear to be so slender compared to genuine. Pure muck I'd imagine.

    I've no idea whether the micro diggers would be any good. Some advertise kubota engine but that's possibly a copy of a kubota engine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,035 ✭✭✭dzer2


    It is a kuboto engine works and dream in fairness will put it through it's paces next week and will report back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,919 ✭✭✭✭Say my name




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,259 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    The only thing about some them cheaper small diggers is the controls is in front of you like a jcb rather than at the sides like a normal big track machine.

    Side joystick are much better for your back than leaning forward for front controls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭chrisd2019


    Depending on the use you have, perhaps buy a second hand machine currently in the country, with a branding the is easy to repair.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,763 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Closest 've come to a Chinese digger is a Sany hired in a rush when our normal place didn't have one. Not great. Over heated and derated and fault codes the whole time. Pleasure to get back into a Kubota after the next time I hired a digger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,531 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Janey … so much hate !

    I've said it before, and will say it again because it's true: my cheap Chinese (mini) digger was and still is worth every penny I didn't spend on renting any well-known brand for just a couple of weeks.

    Easy to operate, easy to service, easy to enhance with my own choice of after-market modifications (some of which I see have started to appear as standard on the more recent factory models). One of the best "tools and equipment" purchases I've made in the last twenty years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭Austinbrick


    Fair play to you.

    In Economics , they have the phrase Risk Adverse, Risk Neutral or Risk Taker.

    You would probably be in the Risk Taker category for that purchase and came out a winner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,953 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    I was watching a yootoober with a big automated lathe yesterday, she imported it for 40k while the equivalent sourced locally would be 200k to 300k. She very quickly had issues, workmanship and design problems, and the only support was via email. The Chinese-English used in the manuals and error codes was so poor it made the error codes worthless. All repair actions had to be carried out by her, and spares were only held in China.

    It makes it very easy for the manufacturer to walk away from supporting the product after a period, with little or no hope of locally available compatible spares, or even a sales network. But where there's risk there's reward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,083 ✭✭✭9935452


    The smaller ones even in a kubota have the controls in front of you.

    I hired a 3 ton locally to me and a sany arrived.

    Just doing a few jobs around the house and had previously hired a 1 ton kubota.

    After hiring the bigger digger i said id never hire a 1 ton again . In a few hours i had more done than the 1 ton in 2 days.

    Sany was low hours. No problems with it at all. Hire place was main dealers for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,531 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Nope, Risk Neutral at worst. I did the sums, I made contact with the supplier, I asked for further information about various features, I scoured YouTube for other people's experience (wasn't much at the time, now there are a lot more), and when I was satisfied that there was minimal risk, I hit the "buy now" button.

    At the time, I wasn't even thinking about buying one. I was checking rental prices and trying to work out what jobs I could line up for what period of time to make best use of a rented machine. Presumably on account of those searches, an ad appeared (badly configured work PC … ) suggesting I could buy one outright for the price of a fortnight's rental. Not too good to be true, as it turned out.

    Throughout the whole process, the only (very slight) hiccup was at the French end, where the handling agent charged me for a truck with loading platform, then said they couldn't use their pallet lifter because of the shape of the crate and I'd have to organise unloading myself … but didn't refund me what they'd charged.

    The machine is/has been so reliable that the only reason I've had to contact the supplier again was to get clarification on the threads used on some of the hydraulic fittings when I wanted to upgrade them and wasn't sure I was interpreting the Chinese labels correctly. Human response within 24 hours giving me the details.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,286 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    I deal/dealt with Chinese manufacturers. Two things to know are that aftersales is culturally not a priority for them, and that they do not have the same fixed supply agreements that other manufacturers do.

    So they could fit a fuel pump in the factory, then buy the next batch of pumps somewhere completely different with no provision made to keep spare parts for the first pump. Ten year requirement to provide spare parts for their product? They don't care. So when you go looking for the pump thats when you find out that they can't get the same pump any more, or not easily at least.

    Is the cheaper purchase price worth the risk? Sure, it very often is.

    But if something goes wrong you had better be savvy enough to know how to fix the issue yourself, because the level of support from the seller is going to be minimal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,259 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Wrong. We bought a 1 tonne brand new kubota in 2020 with side arm controls for digging graves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,035 ✭✭✭dzer2


    TThe Controls are beside me in the seat I have 3 levers in front no owners manual yet they are sending by email it does the same as any digger Iused here any way



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 brendan001


    What brand of digger did you get was it 1 ton and any issues sourcing spares



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