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Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,153 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    There's less of an outcry, IMO, because people see themselves as potentially being the driver someday, knowing as they do all the ways in which they misbehave on the roads (speeding, phone use, undertaking, treating amber lights as accelerating signals, tailgating etc) but don't see themselves as the scrambler driver because they'll never be on one. It's an extension of the "people in glass houses" proverb.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    If you want more than assumptions as to why there's outrage, then you need to account for the different individual reasons different people have. I (and it seems many others here) would be very confident that a large component of the outrage is because "scrambler user" is an out-group. I would be confident that people carry negative perceptions of scrambler users based on how many of them we've seen behaving badly.

    I would be very confident that a large proportion of the "outraged" people do dangerous things themselves while driving and that there's cognitive dissonance at play.

    You state "Speeding motorists are now largely caught by speed vans." but this is demonstrable nonsense, because largely motorists are not caught at all and the vast majority of motorists self-identify as regularly speeding.

    Finally, I believe that you show cognitive dissonance yourself in considering the scrambler use in some way "different" because you mentioned things like licensing and insurance. There's no real difference between the dangerous antisocial motorcycle driver and dangerous antisocial car drivers. We've all seen the outrageous videos of joyriders crashing into garda cars etc but there's been no real effort to deal with that, no discussion of new legislation or anything of that nature like we're seeing now. I believe Gardai have ANPR and pulse and can quickly check whether vehicles are insured and taxed but approx 102,000 drivers (1 in 25, or 4%) are currently uninsured. If they stop 100 drivers, there's a good chance four of them are uninsured, just like the scrambler user.

    To give you a counter-view of scramblers my neighbour uses one as part of a rapid-response blood bag delivery team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Exactly yeah. You've written more concisely than my post above but basically the same answer: it's an outgroup, hence the outrage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭CoffeeImpala


    "You state "Speeding motorists are now largely caught by speed vans." but this is demonstrable nonsense, because largely motorists are not caught at all and the vast majority of motorists self-identify as regularly speeding."

    I had the same initial reaction when I read that part of their post. Giving them the benefit of doubt, as they were discussing Garda enforcement of traffic legislation I think it should read, "These days Gardaí do very little speed enforcement. The majority of speeding tickets are issued following an offense captured by a speed van."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,354 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Thought Gay Byrne was a bit of a crank at the time but looking back he was pretty good at holding drivers accountable. Big contrast to the victim blaming lot that came after him.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,577 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    don't get me started on speed vans. the very epitome of doing something which (i believe) has the opposite effect of what's intended.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,540 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I believe Gardai have ANPR and pulse and can quickly check whether vehicles are insured and taxed but approx 102,000 drivers (1 in 25, or 4%) are currently uninsured.

    Out of curiosity, where are you getting those figures?
    Last I heard, 188,000 drivers or over 8% of drivers in 2022 were uninsured and in 2023 the number of claims caused by uninsured & untraced drivers rose by 11%…

    National Insurance Enforcement Day | Uninsured driversCLAIMS RELATING TO ACCIDENTS CAUSED BY UNINSURED VEHICLES UP 11% IN 2023 - MiBi

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,282 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    This is exactly it.

    "Respectable people like me" don't cause injury and death on the roads (therefore I don't have to reflect upon my behaviour at all, just those other people)

    But they do… all the time.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    MIBI are reporting my quoted numbers for 2024: https://www.kennco.ie/number-of-uninsured-drivers-in-ireland-halves-following-introduction-of-irish-motor-insurance-database/

    It seems like there were some big improvements there which is positive!

    (edit: now we're only double the EU average!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,990 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Opposite effect, or token effect? There's not enough of them, and the publishing of locations is bollox.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,577 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    if people know that spped vans are the primary means of speed limit enforcement, and that speed vans are visible by design - what does that tell someone in a car who cannot see any? it tells them they can speed without getting caught.

    i have no issues with speed vans, if they were camouflaged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,120 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Is they are not visible, the judge will strike out the case

    Judge Faughnan said the [gatso] van was parked “hiding” behind a wall near a church and a filling station. When he watched traffic one day he saw four motorists jamming on their breaks to avoid getting done



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,153 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    There's an RSA billboard ad out at the moment around e-Scooters. I stared at it for 10 minutes the other day trying to see if I was missing something galringly obvious, but I really could see what. Essentially, its a picture of a woman dressed as a car (transformers style) and a guy dressed as an e-Scooter. They're in some kind of office. She' looking smugly at him and pointing at a 20kmph speed limit sign on the wall, while he looks sheepishly defeated.

    WTF like. Am I stupid or is there some angle that I've completely missed here. It's definitely got RSA at the bottom of the ad. Couldn't be more of a caricature of car culture thinking if a comic had tried to take the p!ss, but this is the RSA.

    Anyone else seen it yet??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,153 ✭✭✭Paddigol


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    Here it is!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,120 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    It is a still from tv advert

    set in an office environment where we see colleagues welcome the newbie.  The colleagues are dressed up as various characters such as a car, bus, truck, motorbike and bicycle and the newbie E-scooter. The characters point to six of the rules of the road that apply to E-scooter use.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    A **** joke of an advert.

    RSA should hang their heads in shame for that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭Allinall


    It's got people talking about it, which is the whole point of it.

    Successful advert.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,439 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    that advert perfectly sums up the RSA position, there's a hierarchy and drivers are at the top.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,577 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    um, no, i don't think the whole point of the advert was to have people mocking it. i doubt that's the metric any ad agency should use as to the effectiveness of an ad.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,778 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    No, it has failed. E scooters are a legitimate way of commuting that are in cities typically quicker, and cheaper than cars while reducing occupied space in cases where they are moving from or don't choose cars.

    This ad is mocking e scooter users.

    If they had been smarter it would have been an e scooter going past a row of cars in traffic, doing 19kmph, and having the car drivers looking miserable. It would be honest, relatable, reinforce the speed limit and also show a positive attitude towards a viable transport alternative.

    Thankfully it's an RSA ad, so it will have, likely, no impact.



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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,713 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    But it has failed across the board.

    This advert was pushed out when the legislation changed,

    Yet fast forward to now and the avg joe on the street doesn't understand what type of e-scooters are legal and which are not legal. They don't understand what the legal speed limit is for a e-scooter and a pedal-elec bicycle.

    Jesus christ, we still have sooooo many people that think cyclists and e—scooter riders are legally required to use helmets because these stupid adverts feature people wearing helmets.

    Just to **** with people the RSA should run adverts and in each advert they should have helmets on drivers, it would very clearly set the expectation that drivers should wear helmets. And they should!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,577 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


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    How to turn a minority into a majority...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,120 ✭✭✭✭zell12




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,577 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    wait, was it exclusive to extra.ie? or exclusive to the daily mail?

    and extra.ie have repeated the shysterism claiming a majority.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,540 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    They're two sheets from the same roll of toilet paper!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,120 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    both

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Cetyl Palmitate


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    Came across this the other day. The "campaign" is actually about scrambler bikes but is a bit of a dog whistle nonetheless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,312 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    there was a kid flying around fairview park on one of those electric scramblers yesterday evening, nothing will change, scramblers are part of scumbag culture



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,577 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    Same, feral youth yesterday evening in balaclava blasted through the red lights as pedestrians were crossing at the luas intersection with ParkGate St. Proceeded to then break the lights at the Criminal Courts before turning off into the Phoenix Park. Roads were quiet so course hear him for miles.

    Was hoping for a squad car sitting outside the courts (not that they'd have done anything) as there often is in the mornings but guess being a bank holiday it gave free reign for all.



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