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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,325 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Putin would say the same about sanctions on Russia, would he not?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    I am not hung up on how a repressive regime is removed, I just celebrate it.

    It doesn't matter to me if it is the US or the people or the man in the moon who gets rid of the Iranian regime, it will be a good thing no matter when or how it happens.

    The obsessional anti-Americanism of the Irish left is self-limiting nonsense. It ends up with people like Mick Wallace criticising ordinary citizens protesting in Iran in 2022, Sinn Fein attending the inauguration of tyrants and the poverty of Cuba being eulogised as if it is a good thing. So long as they can give out about the US, they don't care who they support.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,325 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    By any metric used in war, Israel wiped the floor with Iran.
    The IDAF had free rein to fly over Tehran at will, mere 48-72 hours after the conflict.
    They were able to target and bomb any target it wished on the surface.
    The only response Iran had was to lob missiles into urban centres of Israel, hoping it would hit something.

    Roughly 99% of the missiles and drones launched fail to get through.

    Yet, some have this fantasy that Iran will give the US a bloody nose. This isn't a Fantasy novel set in Westeros or Middle-earth, lads, this is reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    If you could point to any government representative of either Venezuela or Iran being interviewed on RTE about the events in their countries please share.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,325 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Your claim that the Iraq army of 1991 is more powerful than the Iranian military of today is just nonsense.

    No, its just a fact.

    The Iraqi army in 1991 was the 4th/5th biggest in the world at the time.
    You seem to forget why the gulf war happened at all?

    Do you know who as afraid of Iraq? The Saudis and Gulf states, because they knew without help, Saddam would have swept over them all. Why else did the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia assemble such a force?

    You really need to read up a bit of history.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War

    The Iranian army today is a nothing army.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,325 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Sigh…

    Ireland does not have any Venezuelan embassy or consulates in the country.


    If your entire argument is based on this fact, and somehow 'proves; that the entire western media is somehow one homogenous block that is controlled by "someone" then you really need to stop reading conspiracy theory nonsense online.

    Do you know who else speaks about Western Media this way? Guys like Tucker Carlson. Well done on being like that dude.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2026/0123/1554751-iran/

    "The UN rights chief has urged Iran to end its "brutal repression" of protests during an emergency session of the Human Rights Council."

    Do you believe the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights?

    Or are the thousands of ordinary people killed in Iran still figments of the Western media's imagination?

    I see that that great moral arbiter of rights - Russia - has come out supporting Iran. Do you agree with Putin too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,893 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    You do realise Maduros regime has not been overthrown, right? You say everything is not black or white but then use extreme language like totalitarian inclined left wing politics. Is it that hard for posters to practice what they preach?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    It looks like you are unable to find anyone articulating a government position about either Venezuela or Iran being interviewed. Is it a fact or not?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Sure Mark, the army that couldn’t make any gains in 8 years of war against Iran, despite being armed by both sides of the Cold War and using chemical weapons, was about to sweep the whole Arabian Gulf before it!
    Is the Iranian army today, the “nothing army” as you call it, less powerful than the Iranian army of the 1980s?

    You say “Why else did the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia assemble such a force”. Then recommend others to read a bit of history. 🤦‍♂️

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Totalitarian inclined left-wing politics is an accurate descriptor of the foreign policy positions of many on the left. It isn't a full description of the left-wing in Ireland, it doesn't encompass all of the Left, there are elements in Labour and the Greens who are not so inclined and it doesn't refer to all of their policies. That is sufficient context to show it isn't black or white.

    Last I checked Maduro was in jail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I believe in the legitimacy of the UN. The same country that is about to attack Iran for killing civilians supplied the weapons and support to kill civilians in Gaza. Have a look at what the UN said about that.
    You ask about Putin. Trump who is about to attack Iran has put Putin and Netenyahu, 2 wanted war criminals on his “Board of Peace”.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    You believe in the legitimacy of the UN, yet you have said that the thousands of ordinary people being killed by their own government in Iran are the figment of the Western media's imagination even though the UN has condemned it. Could it be that you are blinded by anti-American prejudice?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,893 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    But his regime is still in power. Trump has not overthrown his regime. That is a fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    After what they did to their own people the Iranian regime deserves the very worst that could come to them. But it would be a pity if Trump is the one to deliver it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Where have I said that “thousands of ordinary people being killed are a figment of the western media imagination”? That's right, I didn’t. I said that the numbers being quoted are being manipulated by those seeking war and it must be said by the regime. For example, immediately after Trump hinted at a red line of 20,000 casualties, CBS News reported 20,000 casualties.

    The UN has found Israel to be committing genocide in Gaza but who that are seeking unilateral US intervention in Iran called for or would have supported unilateral Chinese bombing of Israel?

    Would you support unilateral Chinese bombing of Israel to stop civilians being killed? If not in favour in Israel why in Iran?


    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    I am not seeking unilateral US intervention, but if it happens and it results in regime change in Iran, I will welcome it.

    Iran is not a democratic country, Israel is. It is up to the people of Israel to vote for change in their elections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    So democratic countries are free to commit genocide if that’s what their people want.
    Ok then.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Not what I said. Please don't misrepresent my posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    What other interpretation is there?
    You said the difference between intervention in Iran and Israel is that one is a democracy and the other isn’t. If a democratic country kills tens of thousands civilians are you in favour of unilateral intervention even if the people support the genocide?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Again, that isn't what I said. You are extrapolating something to mean something else.

    I said that Israel is a democratic country and the people are free to change their government through elections and have done so in the past. Iran is not.

    Do you deny that reality?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Israel’s Foreign Minister Gideon Saar seems happy the EU has designated the IRGC as a terrorist organization. Maybe hope still exists they do likewise to the IDF for it's crimes against humanity and forced starvation against the Gazan people.

    A few bone crushing sanctions on them also are well overdue for it's 70 year policy of apartheid and racial hatred.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The democratic government has killed and is killing tens of thousands of civilians. Would you support a unilateral intervention to prevent civilians being killed?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Let those countries manage their own affairs, they are not there for your or Trump's benefit. If you do want to interfere somewhere then get rid of Netanyahu and stop the zionist ethnic cleansing and genocide. A bully is not a democracy. Cuba has been under US terrorism for far too long and the Western blah blah supports that terrorism with their silence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Really good question, you probably won't get an answer, that in itself shows the hypocrisy of the Poster



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    Thanks for requoting me.

    The problem is that in Ireland we have an extremist right wing minority that fawn over a corrupt lying pedophilic rapist narcissist insane Nero presiding over a dysfunctional fascist regime that is invading sovereign countries and threatening its allies. That isn't okay with me. Hope we're clear. The US and Israel put the sanctions and created distablility in the ME through terrorist acts that caused the uprising and deaths in Iran. For no other reason than for global hegemony. And that that doesn't make me 'leftist' or pro-Iran, those are the plain facts. Ask Libya, Iraq and all the rest…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The Maduro regime was not overthrown, its figurehead was kidnapped. The same regime is in power

    Also i wonder are you as nuanced about those you see as the bad guys. I ask because you say America isn't all bad, yet over the years it has done almost everything its foes have done. Will it be that you'll deny this or admit it but claim it was for the greater good? With this in mind i hope you are not one of these fundamentalist right wingers who essentially believe Democracies can do what they like even if that amounts to supporting terrorism- both state and non state- which is what the US has done in the past and in more recent times. You trying to portray people who might object to that as having irrational hatred is disingenous , but it's par for the course with right wingers who are apologists for such things. If you were morally consistent you would be advocating for the kidnapping of Nethanyu. I mean if you see the kidnapping of Maduro as a good thing, then surely the capture of a leader actually wanted for War Crimes would be a good thing also?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    So, let me see, you are fine with the Iranian regime denying basic human rights to 50% of its population with the second-most misogynistic laws in the world and killing tens of thousands of their own citizens when they protest every few years, yet you draw the line at the US refusing to trade with Cuba.

    The hypocrisy of the left-wing agenda has never been so transparently clear and the bedfellows it ends up are the worst in the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,325 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    And?

    When was the last time we had someone on RTE air the official government position of say Syria, North Korea, El Salvador?
    It proves nothing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,325 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Is the Iranian army today, the “nothing army” as you call it, less powerful than the Iranian army of the 1980s?

    Yes, less powerful.



    You say “Why else did the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia assemble such a force”. Then recommend others to read a bit of history.

    Yes, history…

    https://mei.edu/publication/mission-jeddah/

    Fahd talked at length about how hard he and his family had worked to build a modern country from a backward desert collection of tribes. I wondered where he was going with the monologue when he finally stopped, took a breath, and then said, “Tell President Bush to send the forces. Send them all. Send them quickly. I accept his word that the forces will leave when this is over.”  The decision and its clarity surprised us.



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