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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Iran had a democracy but it was overthrown in a CIA/MI6 coup.
    The goal of the US/Israel for Iran isn’t a vibrant democracy. It is civil war and balkanisation like in Syria, Libya, Iraq etc.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    They are in danger of that breaking out at home themselves.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,445 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Trump calling on a deal to made with Iran, with them not to have nuclear weapons. Sounds very much like the JCPOA deal that was signed and was working perfectly fine for all stakeholders before Trump ripped it up and walked out on it.

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    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Eh but was it not threatening Iran because they were so worried about the those protesters..?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭Hoop66




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭mulbot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭midlander12


    I would think the Saudis, the Gulf States and probably even Israel are quite happy with the current situation - the regime continuing in situ in zombie mode, defanged, its allies largely eliminated and air defences non-existent.

    Trump needs a distraction from his domestic woes and this week, it's Iran. He may be betting the leadership will flee to Moscow if they really fear being killed. He may even have done a deal with Putin along those lines. Does the regime have a Delcy Gonzalez I wonder?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,445 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Nah, someone has been on the phone to him warning about da bomb and how they must be obliterated again before it is too late.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭tarvis


    Looks like Netenyahu’s strings to Trump are now being pulled -

    and the puppet can’t see it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Nearly all the pieces are now in place.

    If I were the Iranian military I'd be seriously a sudden first strike.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭mulbot


    That'd play too nice into the terrorists hands though. Iran should wait for first strike then send as much as they can and flatten Israel, and sink as many of those terrorists ships as possible



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    I think thats always the problem with America, counties hold off attacking their military as they hope America wont attack and they don't want to give America the excuse. But by waiting and America does make the 1st strikes most of your military hardware that might of helped you attack is already obliterated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    ICE killings in Minnesota showed us that there is no depth to arrogance of USA. Venezuela, Cuba, Iraq, and now terrorism against Iran. The EU and Europe are irrelevant outside of their own toilet.

    The United States has sent a secret message to Israel regarding its preparations for a possible attack on Iran, the Israel’s Channel 14 reported.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    It’s looking likely that there will be an attack this weekend.
    if anyone believes the reason for the attack is because the Iranian government killed civilians, why do the US suddenly care about a government killing civilians? They supplied, defended and blocked resolutions against a government that killed civilians for 2 years.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    If you are defending countries and regimes like Venezuela, Cuba and Iran that have oppressed their own people, and in Iran's case, killed tens of thousands of them in a few short weeks, then you are on the wrong side of history.

    The thing about Trump is that he was democratically voted in, and will be democratically voted out, but that doesn't happen in your favourite tinpot dictatorships.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    As you know well the US have often supported and defended tin pot dictatorships when it suited them. With this in mind It seems the Saudis are Donnie's favourite dictatorship at the moment. We saw more evidence of this when Donnie castigated a journalist for daring to question MBS

    As we also saw with Venezuela and the recent kidnapping of Maduro, its not how you necessarily run the country that matters to the US, it's whether you are amenable to us interests. The opposition in Venezuela discovered that much to their disappointment. So let's not pretend the primary motive of the US in doing this is for the good of the Iranian people. if the Mullahs are replaced by another Islamic regime that is compliant with US wishes there will be less focus on life for ordinary Iranian.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    In getting rid of Maduro, Trump was doing a good thing for the wrong reasons, but it was still a good thing.

    In getting rid of the Iranian regime which has just killed tens of thousands of its own citizens, Trump may do a good thing for the wrong reasons, but it is still a good thing.

    Don't let your hatred of Trump and America get in the way of acknowledging a good thing when it happens. Unless, of course, you think that Maduro and the Ayatollahs are benevolent misunderstood good people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,889 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia



    Trump's rhetoric is straight out of StarShip troopers

    America can go in, easily defeat the enemy and suffer zero blowback because America is so big and strong and powerful and everyone must bend to their will

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    Iran cannot possibly fight back, (meanwhile, Ukraine who we were told couldn't possibly fight back have sucked Russia into a drawn out conflict with massive cost in both lives, and economic harm)

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    It's highly debatable whether it is even a good thing given what usually happens in the aftermath of American led regime change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    It most definitely is a good thing if the current Iranian regime is removed from power, no question or debate about that. It really cannot get any worse for the ordinary Iranian people than it is at the moment. The scale of killing by the Iranian regime in the last month is at a much faster pace than that of Gaza or Ukraine or Sudan or any other conflict out there. Ending a regime that is butchering its own people at an incredible rate is "highly debatable"???

    John Cleese was right when he described extremism. The best thing about having enemies is that "you can pretend that all the badness in the whole world is in your enemies and the goodness is in you".

    In demonising America and Trump to the extent that they are now defending Iran, the Irish left has fallen into this trap of extremism.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Again the history of US regime change would suggest otherwise. I have not defended the Iranian regime, i am merely pointing out the consequences of US sponsored regime change over the years. Perhaps because of your own ideology and love of the Americans you are blinded to this reality . John Cleese was right as this sums up those who support US foreign policy without question. In this scenario anything the US does must be good and we will demonise the adverasy for being unqiuely evil, while turning a blind eye to an ally acting in a similar fashion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    You are wrong, I have no love of the Americans. I think that Trump has been wrong on lots of things, that overall, he is a bad thing for the world. However, his actions on Venezuela were a good thing, and hopefully Iran will be a good outcome.

    As I said already, the great thing about Trump and America is that the people of America will be able to vote him out. The people of Venezuela and Iran and North Korea and other friends of the Irish left are not so lucky.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The same people who dismissed the number of people killed during the conflict in Gaza are now accepting the death toll in Iran as reported by a number of US backed NGOs.
    Some of the people who have been reported killed in Iran have appeared in the media, unaware of their deaths, including an Israeli woman, executed by the Revolutionary Guard, a champion Iranian body builder and Jenna Ortega.
    Do you think that there is a possibility that events in Iran are being manipulated to create a narrative to legitimise a unilateral attack by the US?
    Do you believe that the 40 beheaded babies, babies in ovens narrative was used to legitimise the butchery in Gaza? Do you accept that it was BS?

    Do you think that anti regime and pro attack groups may be motivated to inflate the number killed in Iran?


    You say it cannot possibly get worse for the people of Iran. The people of Iraq and Libya might dispute that.

    People who support international law are not falling into a trap, they are opposed to illegal actions by dominant powers, whether that is Russia attacking Ukraine or the US attacking Iran.
    Nobody is demonising the US or Trump. The US has a history of illegally attacking countries based on lies.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Hopefully? His actions on Venezuela were not a good thing, it's essentially the same government in place minus Maduro. Its certainly good for Donnie and US companies, though.

    What do you see as a good outcome in Iran? Is replacing one tyrannical regime with another a good outcome? Are hundreds of thousands dead a good outcome? Do you believe the Mullahs are going to be replaced by a secular democracy . There is this propaganda narrative that people in the Middle East are only waiting to be set free by outsiders and are ready to embrace secular democracy. Iraq after Saddam shows this is often not the case.

    If you view American sponsored regime change as generallly a good thing then I do still question whether you are wedded to a certain ideology and are an apologist for US foreign policy.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    So extremism isn't invading one middle eastern country after another killing millions for the past few decades and destroying them for oil and the greater Israeli supermacism project. Right.

    It's about to get much worse for Iranian people. Only time like Gaza (unlike the recent Iran stats), the figures will be brushed under the carpet and disputed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,889 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The only reason the current Iranian regime is in power, is because America and the British intervened to remove the secular government that existed before (Mohammad Mossadegh) after he went after UK and US oil interests, handing power to the Shah as a western puppet regime that was so offensive to the Iranians that they had a revolution to overthrow them, and then as happens too often, the most extreme side grabbed power in the revolution and were able to hold on by using political repression to suppress any 'counter revolutionary forces'

    Overthrowing the current Iranian regime is only a good thing if it is done in the interests of the people who live there, and a representative government replaces them with one that has a respect for human rights and equality.

    The more the US and Israel interfere in the internal politics of Iran, the worse it is for everyone. The people who have already died will have died for nothing, and whatever regime is installed to replace the Ayatollah will just become the target of Iranian dissidents who will rightly see it as an illegitimate puppet of the west, until it becomes another repressive regime, or gets overthrown and the Islamicists regain power in an even more extreme guise than before.

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    So not everyone holds the same worldview as myself. That is fine.

    I am not "everything America does is bad", or, as one of you put it, "invading one middle eastern country after another killing millions for the past few decades and destroying them for oil and the greater Israeli supermacism project". The world isn't black and white.

    Neither do I accept that "the only reason the current Iranian regime is in power, is because America and the British intervened to remove the secular government that existed before." That is a simplistic reductive position. Ultimately, the Iranian people decided to overthrow the Shah, they didn't expect to end up where they are now.

    We can agree to differ, but anytime a totalitarian regime like Maduro's is overthrown and hopefully Iran's as well, I will celebrate. It doesn't always work out, Iraq is proof of that, sometimes the oppressors come back like the Taliban in Afghanistan, but many times in places like Spain, Portugal, Argentina, Mexico, Latvia, Poland, Lithuania and a whole heap of other countries, removing the oppressor does bring a better life for the ordinary people.

    The problem in Ireland is that we have a totalitarian inclined left-wing politics that will write fawning letters to the Iranian regime or attend the inauguration of totalitarian Maduro. That isn't ok with me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,325 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I think all this means that Iran’s underground ballistic & hypersonic missile deterrence system should be seen as being almost the same as having nuclear ICBM’s.

    LOL, just a big LOL



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Do you notice anything about Spain, Portugal etc where an authoritarian regime was overthrown? They weren’t regime changed following a massive American bombing campaign or invasion. In fa t the US supported the Argentinian dictatorship as it did with repressive regimes in Souty America and elsewhere.
    Look up Operation Condor.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,325 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I haven’t heard the Iranian or Venezuelan ambassadors on RTE.

    There is a good reason for that.

    Ireland does not have a Venezuelan ambassador, nor an offical Iranian one right now.
    Kind of hard to invite someone on RTE that does not exist, no? LOL

    Before you go off on some alt-reality conspiracy theory hogwash that clouds your judgment, perhaps you need to check the basic facts of your rant?



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