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STORM CHANDRA

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,759 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    Some strong westerly winds in places now. Mace Head gusting 53 knots after a fairly calm day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭BrentMused


    GFS model seemed to do very well on this.

    Looking at my location (far SE coast), most of the models were going for crazy gusts today whereas the GFS was a lot more conservative which ended up being the case relative to what the Icon, ECM etc were going for.

    Last night felt mad however. Seemed a lot worse than today in the early hours, although night time vs day light probably does do that in terms of perception too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,602 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Does building on the river catchment areas increase the likelihood of them bursting their banks? Or is all the water from new developments handled by modern, appropriately sized drainage systems? Eg. Dodderbrook below, built around 2017 I think.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,673 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    Well they do make a difference for schools etc which is why a lot of people take notice for an orange warning.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,161 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    The UK warning system is vey good with the maps showing possible flood area's based on the rivers and flood plains. People copped Graiguenamanagh and Enniscorthy were starting to flood before it happened because of the rain lately. It's local knowledge and locals that are better at forecasting floods than government bodies.

    In Waterford and the usual spots got hit. The Johns river that runs along the side of the Tramore road is also a march and prone to flooding. The council did a lot of work on it to help the worst but we have the flooding up further. Would having proper storm drains sort this out so close to a tidal river? It probably would help but may also cause other problems upstream.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,974 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Storm Eowyn last year, Chandra this year. Thought they'd have done something to solve the issue in those 12 months. After all the apologies.

    I'm hoping there's no injuries or casualties. I'm down in the South West, the wind was bad, the rain the night before was harsh. Didn't have travel issues, but wind was bad until about 6 pm.

    Everyone stay safe and check on your neighbours and friends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,166 ✭✭✭giveitholly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,974 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    You mean Winter? It's not like they're under prepared for this every year. It's a yearly phenomenon. There are places in Ireland promised flood relief since 2002. They were discussing this on Tv and radio today.

    Theres a photo of Bertie in Wellies from the early 00s, standing in a flooded region in Drumcondra. That was hit again today. It was promised to be protected from this over twenty years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭Sam Quentin




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,503 ✭✭✭webpal


    or weather futures



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,563 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    what could they have done in less than 12 months to solve the issues?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭mumo3


    I presume that given there was no warning for this might help with an insurance claim… the weather warning was for wind not rain so you couldn't have prepared..ie move your car to higher ground!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭mumo3


    The dogs on the street knew something like this would happen!! I said to the OH when the warning came out, that I thought it was strange Dublin was excluded from the rain warning, given more rain on the mountains wont only flow into Wicklow. I'm actually surprised Tallaght wasn't worse, I remember a couple of years ago the Tallaght bypass was closed due to flooding after torrential rain and RTE radio saying this morning we have had 22 days of rain in January and yet MET Eireann didn't think of taking that into account.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,990 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    I'm still not clear it's ME role on flood warnings, however, someone on Morning Ireland (didn't catch the name) suggested it was, and they had warned councils. Whoever it was, also suggested high tides were a contributing factor.

    Many elements to flood defences, from environmental protections and also resident buy in - as we see in Dublin regarding coastal protections. Easy to just blame the Government, but anything that goes through the planning process is a clusterf*ck in this State (and I guess you could blame the Government ultimately for that, but we see the kick back on limiting judicial reviews).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭808bassqueen


    Was fairly tame affair in Waterford city and south Kilkenny aside from the usual spot flooding in expected areas.close to rivers and streams.

    Yet 30km away into Wexford it was treacherous conditions.

    Even over the weekend on Saturday I drove through Clonroche and the roads were badly flooded so Wexford really was set up for disaster already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,361 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Enniscorthy flood relief was not given planning permission due to the presence of the freshwater pearl mussel, which prevents dredging being allowed.

    This sort of environmental overkill not only annoys the bejesus out of people but outwardly drives right wing extremism under the guise of "the mussel is more important than an Irish person and their family"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Over 50M was allocated back in 2014 for flood defences. No further forward with that as you mentioned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Dredging would make very little difference- the issue is the river is naturally squeezed between 2 rocky bluffs in the town centre . That and the 2 bridges there , plus tidal surge at the time are the main factors



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,941 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    The flooding on the second video is horrendous, I'm pretty sure one those houses, where the man is standing on a garage roof, was one we bid on before we bought our current house 14 years ago.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,563 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    maybe they should consider what happens on the uplands when mitigating flood issues; rather than dealing with it as an inevitability and not looking at cause.

    saying 'we need more natural tree cover in the catchments' is not something that a politician can sell easily, though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,872 ✭✭✭pureza


    Isn’t it the rivers agency or something in the UK?

    George Lee for once in his life made a very valid point on six one last night,we have 180 river level recording units installed and we are doing SFA with the information

    Why no flood warning system?

    180 like?

    Typical Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭yagan


    If towns were built to modern engineering criteria then lots of Irish towns and cities would be moved entirely.

    Cork city was sited to use tides and floods.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Wonder how many years it’ll take to get it up and running.

    Rain warnings based on expected rainfall levels - Met Éireann

    Head of Climate Services with Met Éireann Keith Lambkin has said the warnings yesterday were based on expected rainfall levels but the rain that Storm Chandra dumped onto the country was concentrated on the east and south east. 

    Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, he said that because of knock-on consequences to the jet stream from very cold conditions in the United States at the moment, "that caused those fronts and those systems that the west coast would normally get, they were all coming up and exposing the southeast". 

    "So, the south east was getting all of that rainfall that the west would normally get, and that really led to complicated problems," he said. 

    He said "that system itself then, based on the amount of rain that was expected and the known fact that it was saturated levels, the local authorities and so forth would have been warned of the likes of localised flooding and many acted on the basis of that". 

    Mr Lambkin said there are flood warnings being put in place and Met Éireann's rain warnings are separate from that. 

    "What other jurisdictions have is a more complicated, better observation system that then feeds higher resolution models that then feeds into a warning system. 

    "Ireland are currently in the process of putting that system in place, but only components of that are in there at the moment. 

    "That's still in development," he added.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Another rain warning for the north Friday.

    While the wettest conditions are likely over Antrim and Down, there is potential for many areas to see 10-25 mm build up, with 40-60 mm over some hills. Rain will be accompanied by strong southeasterly winds, especially Thursday night and early Friday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,260 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    Here ya go now ME going to be called in over no warnings issued for heavy rain

    https://www.independent.ie/weather/housing-minister-james-browne-accuses-met-eireann-of-withholding-vital-weather-warnings-and-vows-to-haul-in-forecaster/a939440592.html



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,821 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    I think Minister Browne has jumped the gun on this and will come in for cirticism yet. Local Authorities are the agency lead in providing flood warnings and putting in place preperations for local communities, not Met Éireann. It's a little startling that the Minister in charge of Local Government does not seem to have a grasp of this fact.

    The National Directorate for Fire and Emergency Management has come out and basically completely undermined Browne by making it clear that Met Éireann did share data from their Flood Forecasting Centre to the Local Authorities warning of a serious risk of flooding. There doesn't seem to be any basis for the claim that Met Éireann witheld information. It's down to the Local Authorities to act on that information and warn the public.

    I've been looking at my own Local Authority (Fingal) and they were not proactive whatsoever in issuing any warnings or preparing for flooding. That's despite the fact that plenty of rivers were close to bursting their banks before the storm even arrived.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,563 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    The National Directorate for Fire and Emergency Management has come out and basically completely undermined Browne by making it clear that Met Éireann did share data from their Flood Forecasting Centre

    you have a link to that; just so i can stick it in a whatsapp group i'm in!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,821 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    It's in the Irish Independent.

    https://www.independent.ie/weather/housing-minister-james-browne-accuses-met-eireann-of-withholding-vital-weather-warnings-and-vows-to-haul-in-forecaster/a939440592.html

    The director of the National Directorate for Fire and Emergency Management has said that Met Éireann would have informed county councils hit by Storm Chandra of a "high and elevated risk for flooding".

    He said that Met Éireann had issued a "high and elevated risk for flooding" to all local authorities along the east coast in the lead-up to Storm Chandra.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭BrentMused




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