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General Star Trek thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,481 ✭✭✭Rawr


    And so….Trek is now gone from my Netflix. And ha…just in time for a controversial new addition to Trek on Paramount+. You’d almost think the timing was planned that way…

    I guess it’s time to dust off my….*alternate*…methods to enjoy Trek when I get a hankering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,264 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Interesting What If,

    Even more interesting is this brilliant take on Bel Air

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    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,780 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,645 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Just on a completely different topic.....good game ....

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    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    If anyone is missing the best Star Trek show in decades since it got pulled off the air, I'd highly recommend the Lower Decks comics.

    Written and drawn in such a way as to feel very much like you're watching the show in your head. LD methadone I call it.

    (Paperback collected editions are available with six issues worth apiece)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,961 ✭✭✭Evade




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 620 ✭✭✭eadrom


    Rich and Mike have a Re:view chat about Deep Space Nine season 1:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,223 ✭✭✭Acosta


    As good as we've come to expect. Another 6 to go!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    I've heard about these lads (from here) but never watched anything from them before. Apparently they're pretty popular?

    If a comment on the above video is to be believed, it got more views than the free live stream of the Star Fleet Academy premiere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,481 ✭✭✭Rawr


    The Red Letter Media guys are often quite fun to watch. There’s something about how they do banter that makes otherwise dry reviewing quite entertaining.

    The pair of them are also very comitted trekkies. During the review you’ll see the actual Defiant helm LCARS panel that they spent a video restoring. (They were even corresponding with Michael Okuda for tips on how to rebuild the prop)

    They are not fans of Kurtzman-era Trek, but unlike the hate-watching «anti-woke» YouTubers who usually take that position, these guys focus on the quality of the shows themselves. They give their reasons usually for not liking a thing, compared to just wailing about diversity casting. They even stopped their reviews of Discovery after Season 2. They just didn’t have any interest after that.

    Do recommend checking the video. It’s not only fun, but they also throw in interesting Trek trivia along the way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    "They even stopped their reviews of Discovery after Season 2"

    Oh I have to say I respect that. Presumably their lifeblood is views and lots of people nowadays will happily tune in to see something they hate being trashed in an entertaining way, so it's refreshing to see someone just say "do you know what? This just isn't for me".

    That's kind of how I feel about New Trek. I've no real intention of watching Academy because I'm practically guaranteed not to like it. So I won't. I'm not gonna subject myself to something I've practically been warned by the makers in advance that I'm not going to like only to moan about it afterwards



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,481 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Feel very much the same. Much like with later seasons of Discovery and also Academy now; I’m just not pushed to watch it. I’m not a fan of watching shows set in Discovery’s super-future Starfleet where everything appears to run on near-magic, with Tardis turbo lifts and an Alpha Quadrant that I’m not all that into revisiting.

    I don’t wish failure upon the new show, and if folk are getting enjoyment out of it, it gives me some hope for future Trek, but it does not feel like a show I’ll enjoy. So rather than hate-watch or rant…I’m just not going to watch it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    I had an epiphany last night while watching Animal Crackers.

    No one decided to make The Marx Brothers a "franchise" whose good name they would continually dilute, decades after the stuff being produced ceased to be in any way distinguishable from other immediately forgettable pap that was popular at that particular time.

    This is what Trek is. It's the Marx Brothers.

    It was glorious (TOS/TNG/DS9). And that's probably where it should have stopped. I for one don't care about getting new fans on board. Art speaks for itself. Let people find it as they will.

    Put it to bed, lads . Leave us with the great stuff we have and start using another name



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Except if Paramount listened to people like you we would have never gotten TNG or DS9 because "The Marx Brothers" was Kirk, Spock, McCoy and nobody else according to fans when TNG was announced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    Point taken, especially when you listen to a lot of the narrative around 1986 being "this isn't gonna be MY Star Trek, I'm outraged".

    The difference is though, that TNG was good (even that first rocky season is still truly special).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭Xofpod


    OK folks, enough, you've convinced me - I'm about to start Discovery season 2 on DVD.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,961 ✭✭✭Evade


    Gonn have to report this post for threats of self harm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,862 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    That’s not really the same thing though. People weren’t saying “never make more Trek,” they were saying “make it good."

    Academy takes Star Trek, gives it to people who never watched ST before so we get "Activist Trek" that has little or no relation to Gene Roddenberry's original concept… And maybe that's what you want and enjoy? If so have fun!

    But any fans of TOS/TNG/DS9 won't be watching this absolute crud on Paramount now..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ah no the poster I was replying to said stop making Trek and the fans in the 80s said you can't make Trek that isn't Kirk, Spock, McCoy so it had nothing to do with good or bad Trek.

    As for "activist Trek" there is nothing activist about Academy and if you think TOS wasn't massively activist you were not paying attention. Have an auld rwd up on why the bridge had a Russian and Japanese man and a black woman.

    You seem to not have a clue what Roddenberry was up to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,862 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    No no you don't understand, in TOS having a diverse bridge crew wasn’t the story, it was the backdrop. The episodes still lived or died on the writing. This is the opposite to Academy and it's so in your face that if you can't see that it's Activism Trek then you have the blinkers on..

    Roddenberry wasn't up to writing this crap… Did you see the Hologram character in the gym class and in the shower room.. A Hologram… lazy shite writing… not to mention a bird spotter Klingon! ffs!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Academy is the least activist Star Trek in years. Ya some of the American frat kids are black or some other colour but there is nothing diverse about them and no storylines about anything political.

    The "story" in TOS was way way more activist than Academy has been significantly far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,862 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Ah no it definitely wasn't, Roddenberry’s whole thing was different colours, creeds and beliefs working together — not being talked at, not being sorted into boxes, just shown as equals getting on with the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Who in Academy is being put in boxes ?

    Please enlighten us as to what Activism is happening on Academy ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,862 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    No no I'm not dancing to your fiddle here, YouTube is full of reviews from Star Trek/Sci-fi critics who spent hours compiling clips from the 3 episodes to show exactly how Academy isn't like having a bit of diversity on the Enterprise… Sure have an a look there and enlighten yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 620 ✭✭✭eadrom


    YouTube is full of reviews from Star Trek/Sci-fi critics who spent hours compiling clips

    Rofl. Yeah, I'm sure it is. Must be true, so.

    The **** does a hologram in the gym / shower room or a bird spotting Klingon have to do with "woke" activism anyway?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Enlighten myself with YouTube "critics" 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,324 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Ive seen numerous, maybe as many as a dozen articles about how SFA has been "review bombed" by anti-woke nerds, each article then has hundreds of comments from "people" saying how much they are enjoying it.

    I am starting to think there is a kind of reverse-review bomb campaign mounted presumeably by paramount to get people onto their platform. The youtube stats speak in volumes with the Spock doll in a chair getting more views than the actual premiere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,780 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    The problem isn't with the show but with the fans kind of thing, they already removed at least one video from YouTube and reuploaded it due to comments and votes, it backfired



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,324 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    The show is poor. Even as a standalone not trek-attached show, it would be poor.

    They wanted to attract new younger people to the Trek franchise but are getting backlash from existing fans and have perhaps attracted new viewers who don't like it and so are getting backlash from them too.

    When Lower Decks came out, I had no interest in it, so didn't watch it, didn't comment on it, it just passed me by. My introduction to Lower Decks came from the Lower Decks crossover in SNW, which remains one of my all time favourite SNW episodes, and since then Ive watched a few LD episodes and enjoyed them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,862 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    I'm sure you know much better than all of them put together.

    You can sneer at all the established reviews on YT as much as you want, but they all say the same thing… this show is sh1t.



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