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Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 12.02.26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,577 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    I would imagine that a lot of the most elite managers out there don't fit in with the head coach type Ineos want.

    Agree, far too early to be talking about Carrick but if he does secure CL football, I'm not sure the Ineos brains trust has the balls not to give him a short term deal.

    One things for sure, they will be absolutely delighted with him so far. He has completely taken the heat off them in the Jan window.

    Anyway, back to enjoying the moment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,674 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Of the contenders, id absolutely LOVE villa to win the league but I dont think they've enough strength in depth to stay the course. Reckon arsenal will still do it but it will be tight. Hopefully an exciting run in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,252 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Manc-Red_


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,304 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Dorgu was getting into great attacking positions all season.

    There were people whinging that our attack was crap BECAUSE it was putting Dorgu in space - and sure that is only cause he is rubbish and the opposition funnel the ball to him in space because he is rubbish.

    He'd delivering in the last games. Since the Newcastle game he seems generally more confident and assured in what he is doing - but its not like he was sitting on our corner flag for the season up to this - he was simply not executing to anywhere close to the level he is now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,073 ✭✭✭sReq | uTeK


    100^ its no coincidence since we've been out of all other comps that Cass has become a beast. He needs to be managed like Rio was, one game a week that's it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,679 ✭✭✭BenK


    Some people were saying a couple of games ago that we wouldn't get our money back on Dorgu!

    Outside of his goals he's been very impressive recently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,325 ✭✭✭paulbok


    Even if he wins all remaining 15 games, the club shouldn't be making him permanent before an end of season review. Now a good run in those 15 games should have he in the mix, but we've been burned before jumping too early.

    Carrick's comments about questions every week are welcome and a statement from both him and the club saying they won't be speaking about a full time contact until the end of the season would only help everyone at the club.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,674 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Dorgu is certainly in a purple patch but the other side is that he is only 21 and has just 1 year in the league. The expectations that many of our fans have for incoming players to be instant hits is insane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,199 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    At times we have struggled to put away the bottom half teams which has been frustrating - I completely agree, but it’s been a fairly even mix. 17 points dropped against bottom 10 teams, 14 against top 10 teams - if Everton win tonight that flips around to more points dropped against top 10 sides.

    It feels like there is this narrative going around where the last two games are ones where we’d normally do well in but the “real test” is Fulham at home, Everton away etc and I think it undervalues what just happened. Maybe people are trying to stay grounded and not get carried away I don’t know - but those 2 games in terms of performance and results were remarkable and should be appreciated for what they were. They don’t need a caveat of ‘yeah but what about the next two games’.

    We hadn’t won in the league at the Emirates since 2017. Arsenal are the hardest team to beat and score against. That fixture is the biggest test imo. 3 years since we beat City at home and we didn’t just beat them, we battered them.

    In the first half of the season against the teams above us:

    • Arsenal at home, played well but ultimately didn’t score and lost.
    • City away - in fairness weren’t terrible either but we were punished badly and lost 3-0.
    • Villa away - played well and lost.

    Carrick and his team have faced the two toughest tests in the league and have done exceptionally well given where we were 2 weeks ago. He can only be judged on what’s happened so far. Of course the challenge now is whether they can build on that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,304 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Disagree, in so far as waiting til an end of season review, and only properly starting a process then, will set us up for absolute disaster next season - we'll struggle to decide on and convince the right players to sign for United without an actual plan and clarity of what we are aiming at (in terms of formation, play style etc).

    The club, imo, need to have clarity on the manager situation, and what we need to aim the recruitment at, in April



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,271 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    What must happen now is they must put away the sides lower down the table .

    They must match the hungry dogs who fight for every ball, are in your face as you get the ball, are on your back and first to every loose ball.

    Fight fire with fire……. that's the challenge now. Are they tough enough?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭jayo44


    Ya I agree, I think the club need to be sussing out managers now to see who is possible and a decision needs to be got by end of March in my opinion. Maybe not definite but they need to know what direction they want the squad to go in and plan for next season.

    I don't think the ole hiring should be any factor in what we do I believe if Carrick keeps going as he is now and maybe get five or six wins between now and end of March while showing that they can change the team up and be flexible while maintaining a level of performance then they need to sit down with Carrick and Holland and see where they are at. Get their feeling on how they turned it around and is it sustainable and where the squad needs to be improved.

    I wouldn't be hiring Carrick without Holland at this stage I think both of them need to be on board together.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,304 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    I think you are right about not letting the 'failure' of Ole cloud our judgement.

    We should also not forget that Ole had us playing some of our best post-Fergie football - finished 3rd and 2nd (though well off the winners points wise both times). And Ole also suffered from being under the 'guidence' of Woodward and Joel Glazer. He wanted Haaland, club messed it up. He wanted Rice, club said not worth the money. He wanted Bellingham, club couldn't convince him. IMO Ole had the right vision - hell there is even reports the he tried to create a proper transfer comittee at the club too, to try get a long term vision in place. The club failed Ole, as it has failed many managers.

    personally, I always wonder if a guy like Ole, or now Carrick, can prove that managers aren't the massively important factor we would think them to be. And I don't mean that as a criticism of them.

    Maybe Carrick isn't and won't be the greatest manager in the world - but if you get him enough good players, are his general ideas good enough and correct to get a great group of players competing at the top? Almost that they don't overthink things and try to revolutionise a game style (cough… Amorim…) but 'simply' platform the players qualities.

    And, as I thought with Ole at the time - if you put a proper structure around them, can Carrick simply be the right guy. If we aren't asking the manager to control and be responsible for everything - if we give them proper support on recruitment, and proper backing - do we need a tuchel? Is Tuchel actually a better fit than Carrick would be?

    I wouldn't have picked Carrick as a favourite, or even an option. and maybe in a month i still wont (!!) but are we (and football) overthinking it to a large degree?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭ericzeking


    I'd be sick if he gets CL and they go and sign up 'a big name'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭ericzeking


    The keeper is such an upgrade. I was explaining to my young lad last night, the next corner after their equalizer, he came and punched it clear. Great mentality, to come again after missing the previous one and us conceding. He looks so cool and calm.

    Also, Arsenal have come along way from walking it into the net trying to score the perfect goal to the set up that they have for these corners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,304 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    I've zero issue with how they set up their corners. It works. Its in the rules. Every club should be trying to maximise their effectiveness at any given situation and corners/throws are something you can somewhat control.

    I'd have greater issue with how they set up to not lose, rather than win, imo. It works cause their player quality is generally higher, but it is so boring to watch. My brother is an Arsenal fan and he feels they will win most matches, never really look like conceding but it is horribly boring to watch (in his view).

    But, to be fair to them - that opening 30minutes or so, dear lord the suffocating pressure they can exert is incredible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,798 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I'm interested to see how Carrick handles Sesko. It was right to use Mbeumo the last two games where we weren't expected to dominate, but we did see under Fletch how getting bodies up around Sesko improved him and led to goals.

    If Carrick can utilise Sesko the same way Fletch did that would make things interesting for his future here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,222 ✭✭✭Acosta


    The INEOS brain trust might not need to wait until the end of the season to make a call on Carrick. The next several games against different types of opposition will tell a lot. And they will be keeping a close eye on what's happening at training.

    They need to sound out all their preferred candidates ASAP. Then decide who they want out of what's available.

    It's too early to make a call now. But if we're in a situation were Carrick continues to massively impress for the next two or three months, and qualifies for the UCL with relative ease. If they decided not to retain him in favour of someone else. For me, it would have to be an elite top tier manager, with a lot of recent success. And even then, if everything is working with Carrick. And the evidence is there to suggest it's going to keep on working, then why change at all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭jayo44


    I think what we have in Carrick is someone that seems to have excellent man management and is a hugely respected coach. Then he is backed up by Holland( who I admit I haven't really heard much of until two weeks ago) who comes with a reputation of been an excellent trainer and tactician. And then we have Woodgate who should be hated by united fans but when you look at it we have another young English coach that has been topped over last few years as a really good trainer.

    It just seems the focus around all the new coaches is the training pitch they are all comfertable on it.

    The players seem to be buzzing for them, cunha should be unhappy but he looks like he is fully on board and wants to work his ass for the manager.

    By the way I don't think ole would bench Sesko or Cunha he would be to afraid of loosing the good vibe feeling. Carrick seems to have a balance that he is liked but won't be lead by players.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,304 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    and you can also get into a discussion on what we actually need. Maybe Carrick isn't good enough to win a title or get us over that line… but right now, do we care? Should we care? Do we think United should be gunning for the title next season?

    Could it be argued that Carrick is the right guy to help lay a stylistic foundation, maybe cement us back as a top 4 club? And in 3 years time we re-evaluate and go get the next Pep or something?

    Not to get into an Ashworth argument, but seemingly one thing he was saying at the time of EtH is that maybe we needed a somewhat safe pair of hands to help us through a rebuilding phase rather than trying to get 'the guy' right now. And maybe he was right. And maybe Carrick can be that person right now. Again, not trying to directly compare, but could be like Liverpool with Rodgers —> Klopp. Not that Rodgers was brought in knowing he'd not get them over the line, but he did help lay a large part of the stylistic foundation that Klopp then improved upon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,801 ✭✭✭randd1


    Their focus in the last few games has been on simply defending, and not moving around covering space in a system.

    Amazing how well a player can play when they're asked to keep it simple and do what they do best.

    Same with Bruno moving into the AM role behind the front man. We look so much more at ease and threatening when he gets near the ball.

    Early days, but very encouraging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,456 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    https://youtu.be/SeLiSM3dlJI?si=CE-fNGGrgdCq3dmS



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    I think Sesko will be used more against teams lower down the table who defend more. Both Arsenal and City play attacking football which allowed our quick & skillful players to play through them. For teams who are more defensive will need someone like Sesko up front to link up the play and get on crosses. At least im hopeful Carrick is adaptable, moreso than Amorim was



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,764 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Who pays and would listen to that.

    I hate this YouTube era of opinion. Most just for clicks.

    Every team they play is going to get "smashed".

    Give me Carragher and Keane anyway over that.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,545 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    On Casemiro, I think it’s the right decision to move him on (cause of his wages) but he will be a loss for big games. He does so many small things that are very clever. All that experience will be a loss. Hopefully the recruitment team get it right with the replacement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,558 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    Great and all as it is, I hope its not just the new managerial bounce and results and performances will start going south soon enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭Caustic


    As other have said way too early to make a call on Carrick but if he does have us playing good football and gets top 4 I don't think I'd be too opposed to him getting a crack at the job.

    A few managers have stepped up from the championship and have shown they can do a good job at big clubs.

    I do also feel like we wouldn't get stuck with Carrick if he was plodding along, tbf to inoes they sacked Amorim in a position that the glazers wouldn't have.

    Maybe Carrick can provide the next platform going forward maybe he can develop himself into a tip manager who knows.

    Still a long way to go yet but he has gotten us 5-6 more points then anyone was expecting after the fa cup game to Brighton



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 624 ✭✭✭GolfPar


    I'll be sad to see him go. He offers a lot to the team and group of players as a whole. You can see how all of the other players look up to him. Obviously we don't no the ins and outs of how discussions went with him or if there were any. We will need to sign someone to replace him and also at least one more midfielder, along with sorting out Mainoo's contract situation in the next year or so. All of this will be a significant outlay and show us the ambition of Ineos.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,899 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    I think the positions he is in now a more advanced, more dangerous and more attacking. Just look at his goal yesterday. Rather than on the touchline he was in the half space, able to link with Bruno and come on field. He has a supporting player running down the outside too drawing a defenders attention as he moved the ball in field. He is not just up and down the touchline now.

    Teams were happy to filter the ball to him at left back though, they would be happy to filter the ball to a lot of people in that position under Amorim as they would be boxed in.



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