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Should Scotland, Ireland and Northern Ireland unify as a Celtic Powerhouse?

  • 25-01-2026 09:47PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭


    On Robbie Burns night a thought occurred to me - A unified Ireland, Northern Ireland, and Scotland could form a modern Celtic powerhouse by pooling deep cultural ties with complementary strengths in energy, education, and global influence. Together, they would command vast renewable resources—from Atlantic wind and tidal power to green innovation—while amplifying their collective voice in Europe and beyond. Shared histories, languages, and values could underpin a cooperative political framework that respects local identities while unlocking scale: integrated infrastructure, coordinated economic policy, and a larger internal market attractive to investment. By uniting talent-rich universities, creative industries, and outward-looking diasporas, a Celtic union could punch well above its weight—confident, sustainable, and rooted in a shared heritage that looks firmly to the future.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,028 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Ireland can't unify as it is, without trying to include Scotland.

    My initial reaction is absolutely no, thank you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,322 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Northern Ireland and Scotland getting independence from the UK individually, is plausible.

    Despite all the talk about it, I really don't see a United Ireland in my lifetime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭Jelly Welly


    a tri-state nation would ease the Ulster Unionist populace into unification



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,278 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Ireland re-unite and Scotland become independent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,028 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    I wasn't going to even my wit to that but it's hilarious 😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭Beefcake82


    No, the debt we would have to absorb just for NI, is insane, not to mention changes with laws, road markings etc.

    United Ireland is an expense we can't afford monetarily or culturally right now. Maybe 50 years down the road.

    As for Scotland, Holyrood need to get around Westminster and become independent, however due to last attempt they still blocked legally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,013 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    The Scots don't like the Irish as much as you think they do.

    Post edited by Mrs OBumble on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭joebloggs32


    We get deep fried Mars bars and Iron Bru, while the jocks get Club Orange and Stayto....

    I think they'll be doing better from the deal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭mattser


    Have a look at the Political/NI threads on boards and you'll see the Irish don't like the Irish much either 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,912 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    This is something I would have mooted before. No harm in looking at it as a model. If Farage & co get their hands in UK Govn't, things could unravel there quite fast. Farage is only interested in the UK and would hope the rest would, bugger off. It could have some umbrella type structure, maybe like how the Benelux countries worked, obviously under EU guardianship and financial support.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭Jelly Welly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,322 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    We already have irn-Bru here, and take make deep fried Mars bars, all you need is hot oil and a Mars bar, both also available here. So, what would be the point again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    Hold on. You can’t allow yourself disparage "hoat kweezeen" like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,052 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    A substantial part of the Scottish population is pro-Union, maybe a slight majority based on the 2014 referendum. Granted that was before Brexit, but the SNP lost half their seats in the 2019 Westminster election by banging the independence drum when people wanted to also talk about bread and butter issues. Surprisingly, Reform UK is making strong inroads in Scotland.

    Scotlands history with England is more complex than Ireland's. Most Irish people think its like the movie Braveheart. But there were also many winners from the Union, unlike Ireland. Scotland was a centre of the Industrial Revolution, and ports like Glasgow prospered. Scots have a strong history in the British army. I think these issues played a role in the no vote to independence.

    In the Jacobite Rebellion of 1745-6, there were at least as many Scots in George II's army as in Bonnie Prince Charlies. Many Presbyterians had negative memories of the Stuarts, including the period known as "The Killing Time" under Charles II, when Presbyterianism was illegal and people could be executed for attending Conventicles (outdoor Presbyterian services). Charles II personally favoured religious toleration, but the Anglicans would not allow it. One of the reasons the Presbyterians supported William was to end that. The Scottish Episcopal (Anglican) Church was Jacobite, reflecting a traditional rivalry with the Presbyterians since the 1639 Bishops Wars against Charles I imposing an Anglican Prayer Book in Scotland. William made Presbyterianism the official religion in Scotland as a reward for them supporting William and Mary.

    I associate Northern Ireland with tribal politics. While I support a United Ireland in theory, I don't want to have to contend with a possible civil war with the Loyalist paramilitaries, who according to someone in the media recently are double the size of the Irish army.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,301 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Scotland independence is plausible. The only possible change for NI is a United Ireland and every trend, economic,social and demographic, points in that direction. But a close connection between Ireland and Scotland makes sense and would help with settling in parts of the 6 counties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,322 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    How did I disparage it? All I said is we have both things here.

    Easier access to haggis I'd be al in favour of though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭randd1


    Scotland becoming independent, I can see that happening in the next 25 years.

    If the UK flounders as it has started to do (and looks like it will diminish further under Farage policies or become a vassal state to America), then Scotland may not want to be on that journey. They have resources to be wealthy, and EU membership would see them prosper relative to a declining England.

    Also the rise of English nationalism will see any British government give England, and particularly London, greater investment to the detriment of other areas. Scotland becoming independent, or Irish Unification, may become a economic necessity in time if the British economy declines and the British government prioritizes the South East of England over everyone else as it tends to do.

    A Celtic Union? No, won't happen. For one, if the Scots do go independent, they won't be rushing into any sort of joint administration role with Ireland. EU membership probably, but not anything else.

    And truth be told, Ireland and Scotland wouldn't need to either, if Scotland end up in the EU then we'd have economic and political ties of a sort.

    The most likely outcome of a United Ireland/independent Scotland would be some form of continuation of the CTA agreement with England, and political co-operation under the umbrella of EU membership. Which I'd think would work well right now for Ireland and Scotland, to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,301 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Scotland's problem is that while they would likely do better in the medium term as an independent state, they would .have significant problems in the short term. People are reluctant to vote for clear problems in the short term in the hope of better times which are not guaranteed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭Randycove


    I would imagine taking Scotland and NI off the British would be like a dream come true, for the English. They’d probably throw Wales in FOC to help sweeten the deal.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,301 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    I don't think so. The English see themselves as an island nation, and want to run all of their island. NI is a different case, they would not miss it, but one problem is that the English will not be keen on some ideas that might be included in a NI departure because it would set a precedent for Scotland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,253 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Nah just reunite this island



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,912 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Used to work with a Cockney. He said the English hate one race more than the Scots and that's the Welsh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭Boardnashea


    Why does Wales get left out of this great Celtic plan?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,821 ✭✭✭plodder


    Sounds like a great idea. It could be so good and successful that the English and Welsh would have to be let in …

    … oh wait!

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,918 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    this is not the case, we can very easily afford a northern ireland via all metrics, and we can do so right now.
    the debt is england's debt so is not our problem, we do not need to take on any of it, anyone telling you otherrwise is scaremongering.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    Good point.

    They also have kept their native language going above all the other Celtic peoples.

    But also, the English have their own lil’ Mason-Dixon line where Northern and Southern English are insufferable to one another. Lol

    Ain’t that always the way things go?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭Benihunter


    What about the Welsh, Cornish, Bretons and Manx, we could be a force to be reckoned with if we united 💪

    Ps, I think it should be a monarchy HQ'd on the Hill of Tara, be some craic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    I'd rather not live in a 'powerhouse'.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,912 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Wales looks like heading for a Plaid Cymru/Green Govn't. There certainly is a case for some form of alliance of Celtic nations.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/01/wales-independence-plaid-cymru-green-coalition-reform-cardiff-caerphilly-byelection



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