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Tesla Talk 2

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    You're posting some unusual comments, e.g. ACC is in every Tesla sold in Ireland, that cant be taken away into a subscription model



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    There are rumors that cars with EAP will get the monthly rental of FSD for half price, personally I like driving except for motorways where AP and Enhance takes care of pretty much everything, I don't want or need FSD



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    That doesn’t fix your problem that no Model Y has been though the NCT in Ireland yet.

    You seem confused.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭evftw


    You can avail for an early NCT up to 6 months before the due date on your first inspection. I was hoping that my former 3 had failed on something and then take it to Tesla for repairs under warranty, but the car passed.

    Never been so disappointed to pass as Tesla are one of the only manufacturers that also cover wear and tear under warranty.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    That’s true but do they still then give you a 2 year NCT or 2 year and 6 months?

    I have a June 2022 car here and when I try book an NCT now it states that if I continue I’ll fall into the voluntary testing rules which brings all future test dates forward by the 6 months.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy


    Ioniq 5, id models, leaf, taycan, Zoe all look better in that power bi page



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭eagerv


    Likewise, I don't need or want FSD. Enjoy driving the car too much, not doing much motorway driving. Even on good quality national non dual carriageway roads I don't like the way ACC keeps you in the middle of the lane, would prefer to be nearer the left line to allow others to break the speed limit and overtake if they so wish🙂.

    If on motorway I do sometimes use, never had any bad scares apart from the odd wish to enter exit road. But this to be fair seems to be becoming more rare.

    But ACC or speed only cruise control is handy for stretching the right leg or sending the odd text..*

    *Joke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,883 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I gave you a definition.

    You ignored it.

    Thanks for the rant. Maybe perhaps address my definition or is it too 'full' driving for you?

    Amazing that anyone would expect a car claiming to have full driving to drive all roads.

    I don't care what coast to coast challenge it made on a preprogrammed and staff intervention way across the states.

    You don't like my definition fine, but you got one. I didn't refuse to answer or rant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,883 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Every taxi has to do nct every year after 1 year old.

    If those stats are accurate that's a shocking rendition of such a new vehicle. Terrible terrible stuff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,186 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    It’s unlikely it’s related to build quality. VW would probably serviced/inspected at 24months and then every 12 months thereafter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,762 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Thanks. I guess all taxis then? Not sure what a normal failure rate is on taxis, but I presume it is a lot higher than on privately owned cars?

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,762 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    @listermint "I don't care what coast to coast challenge it made on a preprogrammed and staff intervention way across the states."

    Says it all. You don't care, you are not willing to engage in a meaningful discussion and you post nonsense. The coast to coast ride was just a private owner going on a big trip. Not pre-programmed and no staff intervention. Fun fact: the guy is a lidar sales rep 😂

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy


    My EVs which is a small sample size I know went in for service, had nothing fixed on them and passed roadworthiness checks so I think that doesn't properly explain the issue being seen with Teslas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,762 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Presumably because the overwhelming majority of ID.4 are privately owned and not taxis? Just guessing here. I have not heard about any major issues with Model Y, but if there are, all can or will be fixed under warranty for free by Tesla

    My first Tesla was a 142 pre-facelift Model S and it had numerous issues. All fixed for free under warranty. Currently I have a facelift Model S, not a thing gone wrong with it in the last 4 years. But these are cars hand built in the USA. The quality of Chinese and German built Teslas is presumably much better

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,883 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    But Elon claimed coast to coast in 2019. Here we are in 2026. Why doesn't he do it. Why a random private person ?

    I mean he's claiming coast to coast let's go! If he / they want regulator approval why isn't their Tesla's out across Europe trying to complete x percentage of 'F' SD to demonstrate how capable it is.

    My cynical view of any claims shouldn't be a surprise because it's baked in the lies that man has told about all things Tesla for nearly a decade. His claims out perform his wins at this point.

    But you think I'm being cynical for no reason, just because.. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭eagerv


    My 2022 Model 3 RWD is due an NCT test in next few weeks and the only thing I fear is the lights. I think the auto adjustment feature sets them too high, while the Matrix works fine, never getting flashed. But presume the test only checks the dipped/main beams. Must remember to turn down the beams manually about four clicks before going in for test.

    The wifes' Ioniq 5 failed on lights a few weeks ago, had them checked when in for warranty work last week and was advised lights were fine but turn them manually to lowest setting when getting re test in a few weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy


    Based on? Seems id.4 was one of the preferred weapons of choice on Dublin's taxi ranks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,883 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Would it matter though ? If a large percentage of a specific fleet fail. That's a reflection of the fleet not the volumes of fleet out there . It's the same road conditions for both and the NCT test is the same for both.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy


    Maybe not hearing about this much because US doesn't test road worthiness to same level as E.U.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,883 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Would be interesting to hear what the fails are. Are they Micky mouse stuff like light alignment or something. There's not a huge amount that EV can test really. Steering , suspension driver visibility systems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,762 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Well near 100% of all Model Y put through the NCT up to and including 2025 are taxis. A lot less than 100% of all ID.4 put through the NCT are taxis, as they were for sale privately from 2021 I think and very popular when launched. So all of those were due their first private NCT last year

    Do your stats differentiate between taxis and private vehicles somehow?

    Not that it matters much as I said, because Model Y have a 4 year warranty, so all and any issues would be fixed for free. The trick would be to put it through the test before it is due after 4 years, get anything fixed for free by Tesla and then pass the test. This of course is not possible with the Volkswagen as it only has a 3 year warranty

    What might also make a difference is that Tesla is the only brand afaik that has no service schedule. Great as that is and saving a lot of money for owners, it also means that issues might not be diagnosed until you do the first NCT after 4 years. A VW needs an annual VW service for the warranty to be valid

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,871 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    It matters because all the Model Y fails will be Taxis. Taxi drivers tend to do a bit more than the average driver, wouldn't you agree? High mileage vehicles are more likely to have a fault than low mileage vehicles, wouldn't you agree?

    The ID4 has been around longer, so the ones in private ownership that are 4+ years old have had the NCT. Those vehicles will tend to have much lower mileage than their taxi driver counterparts and will show a lower failure rate as a result. I would like to see the failure rate of the ID4 for example before the privately owned vehicles started to hit the NCT.

    It would be interesting indeed. Would be a good indicator for what is likely to come down the road for MY owners.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,883 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    No id like to see the failure rate for taxis that are 4 years old across all brands.

    That's a clearer indicator of problem.

    Taxi or not this is a mileage thing and shows how a vehicle should perform over its normal long life term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,883 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Thanks sorry missed that.

    Brakes braking equipment and steering (side slip) being the biggest failures. That's extremely poor. 71 percent fail for earliest models, down to 48 then up to 50s for the newer models by year.

    Absymal stats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭yermanthere


    Data is fairly telling. Way below a snapshot of other brands.

    I think this includes taxis ,as there is 12 Toyotas from 2025 tested already.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    It 100% includes taxis. Only way to explain the 2022 on cars being tested.

    PSV has to go through an NCT on appointment as a PSV and before the suitability registration. So essentially an NCT on day one.

    Technically the figures are correct and they don’t look good for Tesla but I’d love to see how many failures for vin number not shown 😀



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭evftw


    Both model 3 and Y suffer from one suspension bush at the rear hub carrier that is a wear item. Would be interesting to know if that's the main failure point. Also the upper control arm bushings at the front were weak especially in the early Model 3.



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