Tesla Talk 2

DrumcDub1 · 23-01-2026 10:49PM

Looking to get opinions. I’m in the market for a model Y and stuck between:

2023 Long Range AWD 485km range

2024 RWD 395km range

My understanding is the 2023 model uses a non lithium battery and should therefore be charged to 80% to avoid degradation of battery (giving an effective range of c.390km assuming you don’t want to charge above 80%) whereas the 2024 version has a lithium ion battery and can charge to 100% without being detrimental to the battery.

Is my understanding correct I.e I could get more range using the 2023 model but at the expense of battery health?

Gumbo · 23-01-2026 11:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124174488#Comment_124174488

I know. They were selling it in the store too for a while 😂😂

I bought one in screwfix!

markpb · 24-01-2026 07:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124174325#Comment_124174325

I would consider it for a replacement MX in future. For me, tolls are all handled by eToll and most of the car parks (for me) have automatic access through the Payzone app or ANPR at the airport.

My only concern would be overtaking on national roads and at some merge points.

September1 · 24-01-2026 10:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124174644#Comment_124174644

Both batteries use lithium, however they do have slightly different chemistry. RWD battery degrades slower, but trade off is more weight, less precise range prediction and slower supercharging. AWD battery degrades faster, but does not have above trade offs. Tesla recommends charging AWD battery to 80% for daily use and to 100% when you go for longer journeys, so you definitely can use 100% when needed.

josip · 24-01-2026 11:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124174488#Comment_124174488

Looks ridiculous, until you've used one 🙂

Having seen the grabber posted on the S/X threads, I got one in time for Europe last year. It was perfect for border crossings, non-automated tolls and some carparks. A lot of carpark machines that dispense tickets grip the ticket and require a bt of a pull to take it out. My grabber lost those tugs of war unfortunately.

Wrong hand drive isn't a problem in urban areas or on motorways. But it's a pain in the ass trying to overtake on single carriage roads on your own.

unkel · 24-01-2026 11:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124175063#Comment_124175063

Well the overtaking is more difficult as you are in a less favourable position to see oncoming traffic. But there are tricks around this plus a plaid Tesla is so quick that overtakes literally can be done in a couple of seconds. That erases a good bit of the extra risk too.

sk8board · 24-01-2026 10:06PM

https://electrek.co/2026/01/23/china-shuts-down-elon-musks-claim-that-tesla-fsd-will-be-approved-next-month/

unkel · 24-01-2026 10:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124177149#Comment_124177149

Musk said "maybe" and "hopefully". That is a wish, not a claim. The article is fake news. Ah, Electrek, of course! How's that dodgy Model X, Fred?

MojoMaker · 24-01-2026 10:30PM

lol. He just won't give up will he.

listermint · 24-01-2026 11:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124177197#Comment_124177197

He also said quote "fsd is a solved problem" that's an absolute lie. It is not a solved problem like not at all a solved problem.

unkel · 25-01-2026 04:14AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124177393#Comment_124177393

What is your definition of when FSD is solved? In general, not just by Tesla. Imho when cars are driving around with no people in them (or with people in them that are not responsible), that is FSD solved, no? Like Waymo and now indeed a few Tesla robotaxis. It is not perfect, but it is L4 autonomous driving

listermint · 25-01-2026 09:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124177853#Comment_124177853

What's my definition of FSD is solved ?

Id assume if FSD was solved we could send a Tesla across every road in Europe without fails by itself. Let's exclude human input for charging.

The term is FULL self driving. Not partial driving in ideal conditions in specific locations.

There is no such thing as full self driving regardless of how much investors will it and musk lies about it.

You and he will be playing with the very definition of the word Full next.

And before you start id say the same to any manufacturers making such a nonsense claim. It's just this clown stands out and does it all the time.

tppytoppy · 25-01-2026 10:04AM

No ACC and no LKA is a deal breaker for me and must be for the large portion of Tesla's target audience who are used to it on other premium badge cars. My Colleague was telling me he is going for a BMW because his friend who has one can lock in a speed e.g. 5 kmph above speed limit which car will maintain but not so fast as to trigger speed cameras.

Gumbo · 25-01-2026 10:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124177991#Comment_124177991

I can do that on a Model 3. It will auto adjust to new speed limits up and down as you drive along too.
Can you not do that on the new models?

tppytoppy · 25-01-2026 10:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124177998#Comment_124177998

No, it goes back up to 5 kmph above posted speed limit by itself, not to the speed limit it reads. There is a tolerance limit in the settings.

Anpassung an Limits:

Der Speed Limit Assist kann erkannte Geschwindigkeitsbegrenzungen übernehmen. Die Übernahme kann oft im Menü konfiguriert werden, wobei der Fahrer einen Toleranzwert einstellen kann

tppytoppy · 25-01-2026 10:14AM

Will you want to buy your model Y rhd from China. With the workforce reductions in Germany and reducing demand from Europe this seems like one of the next obvious streamlining steps that Tesla will take.

Gumbo · 25-01-2026 10:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124178001#Comment_124178001

New models have no LKA or ACC?

So it does exactly the same as the BMW your friend has?

tppytoppy · 25-01-2026 10:23AM

Yeah but will it do it in the future when Elon wants €99 a month. BMW has already learnt that there are features like car play that customers simply will not pay a subscription.

Gumbo · 25-01-2026 10:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124178024#Comment_124178024

Yes it will. As these are basic AP features. Nothing to do with FSD. LKA and ACC are standard features on near every new car nowadays due to EU safety regs.

Sound like your friend needs to do more research.

tppytoppy · 25-01-2026 10:38AM

Well my ACC/LKA won't go up to 5 kmph tolerance above speed limit so that functionality is within gift of the manufacturer and some like Tesla may seek to monetize it as they have shown a predisposition to do in US market.

Gumbo · 25-01-2026 10:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124178052#Comment_124178052

So your fear is with all cars?

You shouldn’t worry about things that may or may not happen. Maybe BMW will monetize it too? Thankfully it’s a feature on the cars you mention already as standard.

...Ghost... · 25-01-2026 11:11AM

I don't welcome the changes to FSD and removal of AP on new cars at all. While the AP will remain as a feature on existing cars, it is unlikely to see any improvements going forward and that's a big loss. I haven't purchased FSD because the ability to transfer to new cars has always been a guessing game.

If I sell my car, or it gets stolen, or written off, there is no way to guarantee I can keep the software I paid for. That might even be palatable if the SW was any use today. Right now, it's a purchase for a minor upgrade in vehicle ability and a future promise of FSD. This is not worth €7,500.

We have a Model S with MCU2 and HW3. It has EAP and I pondered paying the extra €3,700 for FSD with the eventual idea of moving it to a new car in 2 or 3 years. That won't be happening now.

For these reasons, I won't be buying FSD and I don't see myself buying a new Tesla in the future. I have purchased from new a Model 3 RWD and a MYJ AWD. It looks like any future purchases will be limited to cars registered no later than 2025 in my searches unless there is a roll back on this.

unkel · 25-01-2026 11:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124177979#Comment_124177979

I asked you for a definition, and all I got is a rant. You are aware a Tesla on FSD just drove coast to coast in the USA - 4400km in 3 days - with zero interventions? In all conditions and in all locations. Obviously it is still FSD supervised beta software with the driver in charge at all times, legally L2. But the car can really drive itself. It needs regulatory approval AND insurance to be able to do this without someone in the car being responsible to be L4 or L5. But those are legalities. The car can do it.

If those legal steps were overcome today, can the car drive itself in all circumstances and all locations - FSD? Yes

Will the car kill people? Yes

Is it already safer than the average human driver? Yes

evftw · 25-01-2026 11:45AM

As usual some folk battling with their own cars with broken software are opening up here and are educating us how unhappy the Tesla drivers are. And Elon is a loser, don't forget about that.

In the meantime some random driver in US had a stint of 13000 miles on the FSDs without taking control once, and the other one driving from coast to coast, again without talking the controls, I'd say the full self driving is pretty close to a solved problem and good enough now for the generic public.

As of the pending removal of the basic autopilot in US: Seen how much of an improvement the FSDs is compared to the standard autosteer, that the current cars have in Ireland, which tries to follow exit lanes instead of continuing on the driving lane, I actually think that giving the new buyers a 30 day trial for the real thing is the way forward. The autosteer is actually offputting and leads the customers to think that this is how the FSDs would behave.

Just need the legislators to get their finger out and allow the FSDs here.

unkel · 25-01-2026 12:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124178164#Comment_124178164

Good point. Remember the many times even in this thread, that Tesla owners said their AP was terrible, phantom braking, taking exits, etc. so FSD can't be and will never be any good either?

AP has serviced its purpose. Now there is a real auto pilot. The old one that never lived up to its name should be laid to rest. If you want a car that can (in due course) fully drive itself, buy FSD while you can. Or be prepared to pay a monthly subscription for it.

tppytoppy · 25-01-2026 01:13PM

I saw this report about less than half of model Y passing inspection tests in Denmark

https://www-elbil24-no.translate.goog/nyheter/norsk-bestselger-slaktes-i-danmark-rasende-hoyt-tall/84130816?_x_tr_sl=no&_x_tr_tl=en

So i went to NCT website and over 50% failed in Ireland too. VW id.3 and 4 was only 24%

https://www.ncts.ie/statistics/test-statistics-by-vehicle-manufacturer/

I hope later cars are better built.

unkel · 25-01-2026 01:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124178370#Comment_124178370

Am I missing something here? Not a single Model Y in Ireland is 4 years old yet, so no NCT is due on any of them? You linked to a blank NCT results page, BTW.

tppytoppy · 25-01-2026 01:37PM

Use powerbi. From. 2022 onward I see 64 fails and 60 passes.

Toyota chr and Corolla pass rates are as good as you would expect them to be.

unkel · 25-01-2026 01:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124178423#Comment_124178423

Can you post a screenshot? Model Y was launched in Ireland in February or March 2022 iirc. Toyota BZ4X a few months later so none of them are due an NCT yet? Or am I missing something here?

tppytoppy · 25-01-2026 01:52PM

Switch to Irish and then back to Béarla

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