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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Yeah, but I think some of that was we toured SA in summer 2024, so not really a venue to be unloading a host of debutants. If we'd toured say Argentina or even Australia instead, then I'd have expected the debutant numbers to be a lot higher.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭typhoony


    Leinster are definitely willing to bring in players who are on the fringes, if only Farrell would be a bit more imaginative. The only area where they need players coming through are at centre and maybe scrumhalf, gunne for me has improved from the games i've seen.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Sure, but Gunne is in the Ireland A/XV squad and I suspect will start, and that is absolutely where he belongs. He has no business being in the main squad at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭big-al




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,472 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Some interesting selections this weekend. By my reckoning there are 6 players likely to be starting against France starting for their provinces.

    The biggest surprise is Jack Boyle. I would have expected him to be wrapped in cotton wool. Ryan, Doris, McCloskey, Ringrose and Lowe are the other five likely starters. Lowe definitely needs the gametime.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,368 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Boyle needs the game time. The Bayonne match was his first in six weeks due to injury. Beyond that, Paddy McCarthy usurped him for province and for country. We need him scrummaging as much as possible before the France game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,945 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Agreed tbh. Also think his kick-chase is a big weakness towards playing 15 too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Boyle has had a few more games: v Conn, v Uls, v Leic, v Quinns

    Surprised hes picked. Fair enough also re: scrum

    Loughman v France? eek

    Post edited by ionadnapóca on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,332 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    that and the distinct possibikity of having to make 1-v-1 tackles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    I've posted here so you dont have to click on the bait


    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/2026/01/23/conor-murray-i-started-reading-the-comments-on-social-media-big-mistake/

    Conor Murray
    Fri Jan 23 2026 - 12:48

    If there is any advice I’d impart to a young, professional athlete it is: do not read the comments section on social media.

    Ever.

    (This man must be given an honorary PhD in psychology. Amazing insight from Conor.)

    Since I don’t have skin in the game anymore, I decided to dabble in the kneejerk views of rugby supporters.

    I had to stop scrolling for my own sanity. What are people seeing that I am missing? Maybe they simply want to generate debate because there are not enough new names in the Ireland squad.

    (35 year old Bundee Aki? Whos legs are gone)*

    *I love Bundee. Great player for Ireland and has served Irish rugby brilliantly.


    It is, very much, an Irish trait.(Wow)

    “Oh, not the same players again” is the general gist. Of course they have been picked again. You have to rip the jersey off them. Nobody is standing still.

    Some of the stuff is triggering. You nearly want to respond but social media is no place for logical, respectful discourse.

    I keep seeing demands to overhaul the Ireland squad for the Six Nations. Bundee Aki must go. (Yes) James Lowe must go.(No) Sam Prendergast needs to be dropped. (No) No, wait, Jack Crowley needs to be dropped.(No)

    It is never-ending.

    I can state with certainty that the Ireland squad depth will be severely tested, in every position, between now and March 14th.(So can the dog in the street)

    In some areas the pressure is already immense. I’d say the Ireland scrum coach, John Fogarty, will be in his element when the squad lands in Portugal next week. Injuries to Andrew Porter and Paddy McCarthy, with doubts around Tadhg Furlong, mean that Fogs has a serious task on his hands but, knowing him, he will embrace the opportunity to find out about his other props. (This should have happened in Nov)

    Both looseheads, Porter and McCarthy, will miss France in Paris on Thursday week. They are unlikely to feature against Italy the week after or Twickenham the week after that, as the Six Nations abandon one of their gap weeks (presumably to appease the people screaming bloody murder in the comments over care for the players). (Jack Boyle played 0 mins in Nov, Tom O'Toole played 0 mins in Nov)

    Scrummaging inside the Stade de France tends to stress test the IRFU system when it is at full strength. The lessons learned by Porter and McCarthy from the Springboks scrum-clinic in November cannot be put to much use in Paris.(Porter only learning lessons now?)

    But I expect a similarly hectic, close-to-insanity levels of brutality from Uini Atonio and friends that Ireland received from the Boks.

    Jack Boyle will get the opportunity he has wanted for a few years. Boyle might be the third choice loosehead at Leinster but he struck me as a confident fella when he initially came into Ireland camp. Whoever makes the bench from Tom O’Toole, Michael Milne and Jeremy Lockman will not take a backward step. (Lockman??)

    Scrolling down a long list of injuries, Irish fans demanding change should take a breath. Now is not the moment to break up an established squad. (Those dogs on the street also know this. They also know Wardx2 and maybe Kenny should be given a shot over the course of this 6N)


    Andy Farrell has already mapped out his starting XV and bench for these first three games. Change will come, and not by choice, as some lads will be broken, forcing others to fill the gap.
    (It shouldn't be just on injury. Its Wales and Italy FFS)

    The condensed schedule demands a reliable selection policy. (see above)

    There is some scope for fresh blood. If Tadhg Beirne starts on the blindside flank, there is an opportunity to spring Edwin Edogbo from the bench when the second-half in Paris takes its toll on the other locks. (It can only be Edogbo. Dogs. On. Street)

    Edogbo is returning from three achilles tears since 2021, so Munster have been careful with him. But in recent weeks, especially against Castres, he was uncontainable.(3 or 2 achilles tears? )

    I remember Edogbo as a studious character around Munster training who sponged everything up when promoted from the academy. What is so exciting about Edogbo is his size. Even Paul O’Connell had to put on the bulk and muscle that he already possessed.

    I wonder if he realises how devastating a player he can become? Maybe he is trying to find his stride after a few setbacks. I’d be wary of building a fella up but in terms of raw talent and physical attributes, it is all there. And the (little) brother Seán Edogbo is not too far behind, making his Munster debut against the Dragons on Friday night.


    Despite the comments section calling for revolution, I find it comforting to face into a savage Six Nations fixture list with plenty of familiar faces.
    (Of course. They are your mates)

    No team wants to turn to the next generation in Paris or Twickenham. Nathan Doak has played his way onto the panel, he deserves a cap this season, but Jamison Gibson-Park and Craig Casey are the scrumhalves Ireland need right now.(I agree on Casey v France. But Doak needs to play v Italy and then maybe its more of a debate for Twickenham)

    The same goes for Garry Ringrose, Bundee Aki and Stu McCloskey in midfield, although I expect Tom Farrell might feature before round three is done. (Aki doesnt need to play any active part. IF StuMcC is injured AND Osborne cant play - well fair enough. Come on in Bundee)

    Outhalf is, genuinely, a tricky situation for the Ireland coaches with Harry Byrne playing himself into contention. Still, I’d be surprised if Sam Prendergast and Jack Crowley are not sharing minutes. (Its not. Prendergast starts, Crowley on bench v France. Byrne starts, Crowley on Bench. v Italy)

    Anything could and probably will happen. Ciarán Frawley might end up at 10, off the bench, when it really matters. (No he wont)

    All we know for certain is to expect the worst, and react accordingly. (Thanks. Thats why Crowley will be on the bench)

    A little bit of reliability goes a long way in this tournament. That is why Hugo Keenan should return at fullback despite playing no rugby since the Lions tour. If not, Jacob Stockdale will rise to handle the constant aerial activity that this edition of the Six Nations looks certain to serve up.(Tend to agree on Keenan. Stockdale is not up to the standard in the air at all. Or in defence. And is not a Test standard FB)

    Stockdale, Rob Baloucoune or Jamie Osbourne are close to playing themselves into the back field. Lowe and Tommy O’Brien will disagree, strongly, but it is a debate worth having, and I know that Ireland’s attack coach Andrew Goodman will provide an evidence-based view to either support or attempt to change Farrell’s mind. (Osborne hasnt played since start of Nov)

    The commentators demanding change appear to be unaware that the Ireland coaches are having these conversations all the time. That is why Doak, Baloucoune and Edogbo were called up. On merit. The environment Farrell has created is designed to either force him to make change or bring the best out of the men he has consistently relied upon.

    Irish rugby will never operate like France. Farrell will never be able to swing the axe like Fabien Galthié did this week when he dropped Damian Penaud, Gaël Fickou and Grégory Alldritt, to remove 215 caps from camp in Marcoussis.

    It makes sense to Galthié because he can pick and choose from 14 clubs. Ireland have four provinces. The French have a ridiculous array of wingers, centres and athletic flankers but imagine the comments, from rational members of the public, if Farrell excluded Keenan, Ringrose and Doris? (I actually didnt realise Ireland ONLY had 4 provinces! Unbelievable amount of knowledge on display here from Conor and his thought provoking questions!)

    No, that is not how Ireland do business. Tough fortnight ahead, but has it ever been any other way? (Irish rugby lads like to add a question when they are talking)

    Conor Murray was a great player for Ireland. When you listen to him, read the excerpts from his book and read the drivel above Its hard to believe he receives money for this stuff.

    What he says is mostly just propaganda, he's only just retired, and most definitely still has "skin in the game". They are all his friends of course.

    I know sportsmen arent the most educated of people, but you would expect at least some actual insights (even a little) on Ireland, or the game in general, would be achievable. My 9 year old knows everything he's written about here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,945 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Good post @ionadnapóca

    He hasn’t exactly said a whole pile there or anything particularly insightful.

    Tho on this point:

    “Oh, not the same players again” is the general gist. Of course they have been picked again. You have to rip the jersey off them. Nobody is standing still.

    James Lowe just looks like he's standing still. 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Poor 'old' Lowe! Im standing up for him all the same.

    He always plays well v France. And until Osborne is back fit Ireland will rely heavily on Lowe for his left foot. Form is a big concern all the same.

    Zac Ward should have started at 11 v Italy. But he wont be now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,974 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    That became painful to read after about ten lines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭typhoony


    I was looking at the RWC tables and potential matches/draws in the last 16 and teams from the other side of the draw are mixed into matches on our side of the draw. I thought both sides of the draw were completely seperate until the final



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Not sure I entirely follow but the two sides of the draw are separate from the R16. This is the same as in the past (winner of a group went to one side of the draw, RU went to the other). You can no longer guarantee you won't play a team from the same group before the final again however (you could end up against a 3rd place team from your group).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭TRC10


    He always plays well v France

    He hasn’t played against them in 2 years???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭bigmac86


    Jack boyle going off on a stretcher. Who's next up?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Loughman and Milne I guess are the 23 LH props now but this is seriously, seriously bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭TRC10


    I wonder if they say “f*ck it, we’re going to get destroyed in the scrum either way” and just start Tom O’Toole at 1



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I imagine putting Bealham to 1 is massively on the cards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Dont see that happening as furlong is not exactly reliable injury wise



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I am already assuming he isn't gonna be back. I'm sure I'm forgetting someone but do we just go

    1 Milne 3 Clarkson

    17 Bealham 18 TOT

    And put Bealham on for whoever goes off first? We are in serious trouble now at prop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭big-al


    you’d have to go for Eric O’Sullivan. He’d do a job, more than a rookie URC prop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow




  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,487 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Munster providing all the LH props to the Irish squad wasn't on the cards.

    Billy Bohan is looking good for a squad call up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Post edited by Lost Ormond on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,038 ✭✭✭50HX




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    gutted for Boyle and ireland IRFU



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 372 ✭✭VayNiice


    Our cheeks are spread at this stage..



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